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It's a 1GB SD card that runs at around 9m/s. I've heard the non-sandisk ones
are just the rejects from the sandisk factory. Is this true?
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No, that's a quite odd thing to hear. Sandisk "rejects"
are sold as non-speed-graded Sandisk cards. Defective cards
are destroyed.

This certainly
seemed true for my CF card which had the sandisk labels underneath the
stickers. What is likely to be wrong with them?
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It has nothing to do with "wrong" or "reject". Sandisk
will sell memory on retail market and as a supplier. Their
retail sales rate < total production. I'd imagine they'd
rather not fool with retail sales at all.
 
kony said:
It has nothing to do with "wrong" or "reject". Sandisk
will sell memory on retail market and as a supplier. Their
retail sales rate < total production. I'd imagine they'd
rather not fool with retail sales at all.
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The interesting thing with mine is that it had the sandisk stickers
underneath. I'd imagine if sandisk sold their products to another supplier
they would send them out blank or with that suppliers sticker already on
them. This makes me think that it must have failed some sort of sandisk
test. I can't imagine what that test would be, originally it was badged at
the same size and speed so it can't have failed in either of them. Maybe it
failed a reliability test or something?

Michael
 
The interesting thing with mine is that it had the sandisk stickers
underneath.
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It's interesting that they needed to divert stock packged
for retail to other channels due to underestimating
off-brand sales vs retail sales ratios?


I'd imagine if sandisk sold their products to another supplier
they would send them out blank or with that suppliers sticker already on
them.
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I'd imagine that they don't put their stickers on any
modules that are defective in any way. What would be the
point of that?

On the other hand, want point is there in paying someone to
peel off stickers when another one would be put on top
anyway? I doubt they realized you'd be paranoid about this.

This makes me think that it must have failed some sort of sandisk
test.
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Then return it... It's really not worth worrying about.
I can't imagine what that test would be, originally it was badged at
the same size and speed so it can't have failed in either of them. Maybe it
failed a reliability test or something?
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It would be the
flash-market-plummeted-nobody-pays-retail-for-flash-anymore,
test.
 
kony said:
It's interesting that they needed to divert stock packged
for retail to other channels due to underestimating
off-brand sales vs retail sales ratios?

I'd imagine that they don't put their stickers on any
modules that are defective in any way. What would be the
point of that?

On the other hand, want point is there in paying someone to
peel off stickers when another one would be put on top
anyway? I doubt they realized you'd be paranoid about this.
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Do you have any proof of all this? I'm not disputing this but you'd really
need to work at sandisk to know.
Then return it... It's really not worth worrying about.
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The one I've got works fine, I'm looking into buying an SD card now.

Michael
 
Do you have any proof of all this? I'm not disputing this but you'd really
need to work at sandisk to know.
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I don't think i'd need to work there to know that they don't
put product labels on till after they're tested, that's
pretty standard. Nobody wants their company name on a
product that's defective.

The one I've got works fine, I'm looking into buying an SD card now.

Michael
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I think you'll find that just about any off-brand flash has
another company's markings (product codes) inked on even if
there isn't a retail sticker. Are you going to go through
all this doubt every time you buy flash?
 
kony said:
I don't think i'd need to work there to know that they don't
put product labels on till after they're tested, that's
pretty standard. Nobody wants their company name on a
product that's defective.
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But you're only guessing I presume. There could be many reasons why they are
tested after they get the label.
I think you'll find that just about any off-brand flash has
another company's markings (product codes) inked on even if
there isn't a retail sticker. Are you going to go through
all this doubt every time you buy flash?
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If there is some substance behind this doubt then yes. If I was after a CPU
and I could get a SPINTEL (TM) cpu much cheaper that was really just a
rebadged INTEL then I'd be very suspisious. It makes perfect sense for intel
to give out all of their crap to SPINTEL.

Michael
 
But you're only guessing I presume. There could be many reasons why they are
tested after they get the label.
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It would be less of a guess than you're making because
labeling is the final step in manufacturing.

I don't know how to kindly put it, but you're simply not
GETTING it. They are not defective, you're just paranoid.

If there is some substance behind this doubt then yes. If I was after a CPU
and I could get a SPINTEL (TM) cpu much cheaper that was really just a
rebadged INTEL then I'd be very suspisious. It makes perfect sense for intel
to give out all of their crap to SPINTEL.
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There is no substance behind your doubt. It is well known
that memory markets fluctuate like crazy with manufacturers
hoaring production and liquidating surplus too.

Possibly the part you don't grasp is that there is nothing
"good" about Sandisk regular cards relative to any other
generic. Flash memory quality is based upon it's speed and
density as that applies to total capacity. Your ramblings
about defects are unfounded since you can't even pinpoint
anything wrong with it's function.

Further, it does NOT make perfect sense for intel to "give
out" all of their crap to anyone. They destroy them. It
would be even more ridiculous for them to find them
defective, THEN put their brand-name label on, and THEN sell
them to someone.

I suppose the bottom line is you're not familiar with flash
memory market. It is a spot-based market, prices fluctuate
wildly. You jump to conclusions about seeing a Sandisk
label where there is no evidence to believe anything in
particular about it. Let me make it clear-

IF IT WERE DEFECTIVE, THE ABSOLUTE LAST THING YOU WOULD SEE
ON IT IS A SANDISK LABEL. The label in itself is evidence
that it passed their tests.
 
kony said:
I don't know how to kindly put it, but you're simply not
GETTING it. They are not defective, you're just paranoid.
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No need to be rude. It is you who is not getting it. You have zero proof and
are just guessing and have nothing to back up your claims. I did present my
ideas as "what I've heard" because I don't know for sure but you are
presenting your ideas as fact when you don't know for sure either.
There is no substance behind your doubt. It is well known
that memory markets fluctuate like crazy with manufacturers
hoaring production and liquidating surplus too.
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Well known? So you are going by what people have told you? It is well know
that lower quality products go to different brands all the time. Go to a no
name supermarket and all the reject apples from the brand name supermarket
are there. All the CCDs in cheapo video cameras are the rejects from
high-end cameras.
IF IT WERE DEFECTIVE, THE ABSOLUTE LAST THING YOU WOULD SEE
ON IT IS A SANDISK LABEL. The label in itself is evidence
that it passed their tests.
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It might not be outright defective. It could just be lower quality in some
way that I don't know about. If it had a few dodgy bits I'd never know
because it largely stores pics. Also the new one doesn't have a sandisk
label underneath.

GIMME SOME PROOF!!!! and then I might believe you. Otherwise you're blowing
hot air and getting angry because I won't accept it as fact.

Michael
 
No need to be rude. It is you who is not getting it. You have zero proof and
are just guessing and have nothing to back up your claims. I did present my
ideas as "what I've heard" because I don't know for sure but you are
presenting your ideas as fact when you don't know for sure either.
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"What you've heard"?
Let's hear it from the horse's mouth then, who claims this?

You might claim "I heard someone say that mine is filled
with swiss chesses". I could counter, "no it's not".
Indeed, that's my opinion, i have no facts to confirm you
have not a cheese-filled flash card.

Well known? So you are going by what people have told you?
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Do you live in a vacuume?
It's well known to anyone who shops the memory market
regularly.
It is well know
that lower quality products go to different brands all the time. Go to a no
name supermarket and all the reject apples from the brand name supermarket
are there. All the CCDs in cheapo video cameras are the rejects from
high-end cameras.
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Actually, no, but that's not directly comparible even if it
were true.

To repeat, there is nothing particularly "quality" about
Sandisk over any other flash memory. They DO sell higher
speed grades, which some might call higher quality due to
this desirable feature, but that's pretty simple criteria.
If your card is rated at (N)X speed but can't perform that
fast, you ought to be returning it. If you find you can't
write or read the whole thing without errors, again it
should be returned. Otherwise, you're just paranoid.

It might not be outright defective. It could just be lower quality in some
way that I don't know about. If it had a few dodgy bits I'd never know
because it largely stores pics. Also the new one doesn't have a sandisk
label underneath.
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Return it.
You are not able to appreciate a bargain and should pay full
retail for a Sandisk card, never knowing there is no
difference.
GIMME SOME PROOF!!!! and then I might believe you. Otherwise you're blowing
hot air and getting angry because I won't accept it as fact.
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Prove what? Prove it isn't defective?
Prove that everyone else isn't paranoid?
Prove that companies don't risk corporate image by putting
labels on products already tested as defective?
Prove that Sandisk had excess inventory that had labels?
It seems you already have all the proof right there in front
of you.
 
kony said:
"What you've heard"?
Let's hear it from the horse's mouth then, who claims this?
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I've heard this from several people in the industry, just like you.
You might claim "I heard someone say that mine is filled
with swiss chesses". I could counter, "no it's not".
Indeed, that's my opinion, i have no facts to confirm you
have not a cheese-filled flash card.
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Now you are just being stupid.
Do you live in a vacuume?
It's well known to anyone who shops the memory market
regularly.
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So you've heard it from a few people?
Actually, no, but that's not directly comparible even if it
were true.
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It is directly comparable.
To repeat, there is nothing particularly "quality" about
Sandisk over any other flash memory. They DO sell higher
speed grades, which some might call higher quality due to
this desirable feature, but that's pretty simple criteria.
If your card is rated at (N)X speed but can't perform that
fast, you ought to be returning it. If you find you can't
write or read the whole thing without errors, again it
should be returned. Otherwise, you're just paranoid.
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There would be many different highly technical quality issues that you or i
wouldn't know the details of. To say that the only quality is speed shows
your ignorance.
Prove what? Prove it isn't defective?
Prove that everyone else isn't paranoid?
Prove that companies don't risk corporate image by putting
labels on products already tested as defective?
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Defective is a gray area. Maybe they run a test that shows it will have a
shorter life span, or will use more power, or who knows what.
Prove that Sandisk had excess inventory that had labels?
It seems you already have all the proof right there in front
of you.
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No, I have you expressing your opinion and expecting me to accept it as
proof. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying you don't have proof, which
you don't. Why is that such a hard concept for you to grasp?

Are you really so nieve to think that this sort of thing isn't common
practice in industry?

Michael
 
I've heard this from several people in the industry, just like you.
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Then return it.

Peel all the labels off of everything you own just to be
sure there's nothing underneath. Wonder about everything
you have which DOESN'T have a label underneath too, LOL.

You are deluded and I'm apathetic about it.
Sandisk does not slap their labels on defective memory then
resell it. End of story.
 
kony said:
Then return it.

Peel all the labels off of everything you own just to be
sure there's nothing underneath. Wonder about everything
you have which DOESN'T have a label underneath too, LOL.

You are deluded and I'm apathetic about it.
Sandisk does not slap their labels on defective memory then
resell it. End of story.
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Well if you say so then that's good enough for me. lol. Fact is you don't
have a clue what sandisk do.

Michael
 
kony said:
Then return it.

Peel all the labels off of everything you own just to be
sure there's nothing underneath. Wonder about everything
you have which DOESN'T have a label underneath too, LOL.

You are deluded and I'm apathetic about it.
Sandisk does not slap their labels on defective memory then
resell it. End of story.
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Why is it so inconceivable to your small brain that a company would sell off
lower quality stock to another company? Yes the one I had probably was not
in that category because it had the sandisk label on it but I wasn't talking
about just the one I have. Somehow you seem to think that because my one
single CF card had a sandisk label on it that that means they never do it.

Michael
 
Why is it so inconceivable to your small brain that a company would sell off
lower quality stock to another company? Yes the one I had probably was not
in that category because it had the sandisk label on it but I wasn't talking
about just the one I have. Somehow you seem to think that because my one
single CF card had a sandisk label on it that that means they never do it.

Michael
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You are deluded and I'm apathetic about it.
Sandisk does not slap their labels on defective memory then
resell it. End of story.
 
kony said:
You are deluded and I'm apathetic about it.
Sandisk does not slap their labels on defective memory then
resell it. End of story.
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Why is it so inconceivable to your small brain that a company would sell off
lower quality stock to another company?

Michael
 
Why is it so inconceivable to your small brain that a company would sell off
lower quality stock to another company?
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Why is it so inconceivable to your small brain that if you
get confused by off-brands then you should only buy
"popular" brands?

Go ahead and name any other instance of a major name-brand
company putting their retail label on "lower quality stock"
so they could resell it in non-retail channels. If you
don't have examples then you must have a wild imagination
that's feeding your paranoia.

Can your small brain find a problem with the card? Seems
like only a fool goes on about "lower quality" and
"defective" when there's nothing wrong with it.

Define lower quality as it pertains to flash memory. Not
your speculations but a solid basis for comparison.

It might be a certain speed, but I already addressed that.
If you find it can't deliver the labeled speed on a device
capable of higher speed (as a valid testing host) then
return it. Your original quandary was whether the Sandisk
label underneath was significant as an indicator of defect,
or as you put it, "9m/s... rejects". The answer is NO,
Sandisk sells models today at retail, Sandisk sticker and
all, that do not achieve even 9MB/s.

Now go play with your stickers, LOL.
 
Why is it so inconceivable to your small brain that a company would sell off
lower quality stock to another company?

Michael
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I take back everything I wrote.
Clearly the 2nd sticker is evidence that it's defective!

Contrary to my last recommendation that you return it if it
troubles you, I now suggest that you keep it, even though
it's defective.

Nevermind that it works fine, you have to put a 3rd sticker
on it to remind you to accidentally not use it. Although,
if two stickers = defect, then three stickers might = no
defect. Do you have a couple spare stickers lying around?
Maybe if you just PEEL OFF that 2nd sticker? Naw, that's
too easy. Maybe if you shut your eyes while someone else
peels off the 2nd sticker?

Hey! What if you put it in the device so you can't SEE the
2nd sticker?
 
kony said:
I take back everything I wrote.
Clearly the 2nd sticker is evidence that it's defective!

Contrary to my last recommendation that you return it if it
troubles you, I now suggest that you keep it, even though
it's defective.

Nevermind that it works fine, you have to put a 3rd sticker
on it to remind you to accidentally not use it. Although,
if two stickers = defect, then three stickers might = no
defect. Do you have a couple spare stickers lying around?
Maybe if you just PEEL OFF that 2nd sticker? Naw, that's
too easy. Maybe if you shut your eyes while someone else
peels off the 2nd sticker?

Hey! What if you put it in the device so you can't SEE the
2nd sticker?
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Mate you really are slow. I'll explain yet again. Yes I agree that the fact
they put their sticker on my particular CF card means it is not defective.
But this does not mean they never do this and considering my main concern is
my new SD card I'm not too fussed about my existing CF. Is that so difficult
to understand? I've typed this real slow so maybe you can keep up this time.

The same goes for your points that they sell good stock to other companies.
Again this proves in no way that they don't sell bad stock to other
companies also.

Michael
 
Mate you really are slow. I'll explain yet again. Yes I agree that the fact
they put their sticker on my particular CF card means it is not defective.
But this does not mean they never do this
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It's not that I didn't understand your theory, it's that
you're just plain wrong. You invented it, pulled it out of
thin air, it's not true and has no factual backing. In
other words, you're full of it.

and considering my main concern is
my new SD card I'm not too fussed about my existing CF. Is that so difficult
to understand? I've typed this real slow so maybe you can keep up this time.
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I do hope you feel better now, it must be tough being so
damn stupid that a 2nd sticker throws you for a loop.
The same goes for your points that they sell good stock to other companies.
Again this proves in no way that they don't sell bad stock to other
companies also.
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It doesn't prove they sell good or bad stock at retail under
their own brand either. That's the thing you're too slow to
grasp. it doesn't prove A N Y T H I N G. You're just
pulling nonsense out of thin air, with no evidence, except
of course a WORKING PRODUCT.

You're like one of those dumbass kids that needs to stand at
a blackboard and write "working product" 1000 times until it
sinks into their thick skull. Stop wasting our time until
you have some evidence of defective lots of memory being
sold. Otherwise to argue such with only evidence to the
contrary is madness, or stupidity combined with vanity,
though probably a little of both.
 
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