Are power backup UPSs worthwhile?

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I recently got an APC BK650MC UPS unit for free. I'm trying to decide if
it's worthwhile to spend $44 on the batts it needs.

This would be to backup a (surge protected) home system in an area that does
get some power spikes that currently cause my system to shutdown. A year
ago, this led to an XP install getting corrupted, and I had to do a
re-install which turned out to be a real pita.

I'm unfamiliar with these things, and any comments on pros and cons would be
appreciated.

Thanks
 
A UPS is worthwhile if you want to leave a PC on for long periods where power is not very reliable. It will provide protection for brownouts and blackouts. The only drawback is the cost of battery replacement every few years. I have not been able to find good prices locally. I bought batteries abut a year ago from http://www.ragebattery.com/
 
Jack S said:
I recently got an APC BK650MC UPS unit for free. I'm trying to decide if
it's worthwhile to spend $44 on the batts it needs.

This would be to backup a (surge protected) home system in an area that
does get some power spikes that currently cause my system to shutdown. A
year ago, this led to an XP install getting corrupted, and I had to do a
re-install which turned out to be a real pita.

I'm unfamiliar with these things, and any comments on pros and cons would
be appreciated.

Thanks

It looks to be a reasonably good unit, a step above the
usual bargain brick at a retail store. You would still be
getting a good deal spending $50 for new batteries, IF
that is all that is needed. Normally if these kinds of units
die in service, it's not the battery but the protection or
charging circuits that have failed.

Luck;
Ken
 
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I recently got an APC BK650MC UPS unit for free. I'm trying to decide
if it's worthwhile to spend $44 on the batts it needs.

Less than half the price of buying a new whole unit. I end up replacing
the batteries in the UPS (2 of them) about every 3 years. Doesn't
matter that their voltage test passes. Problem is they lose amperage
capacity so they're uptime wanes over time.
I'm unfamiliar with these things, and any comments on pros and cons
would be appreciated.

So how familiar are you with working on electronic gear? Replacing a
battery in a UPS isn't difficult but neither is replacing a car
alternator, washing maching motor, or roofing your house but many
consumers won't even attempt them. How difficult is it to get into the
case? The UPS that I buy have screws holding the outer shell halves
together but I've seen many that are press-fitted together and you could
end up destroying the tangs holding them together if you force the shell
halves apart.
 
Jack said:

Mike Walsh said:
A UPS is worthwhile if you want to leave a PC on for long periods where
power is not very reliable. It will provide protection for brownouts and
blackouts. The only drawback is the cost of battery replacement every few
years. I have not been able to find good prices locally. I bought
batteries abut a year ago from http://www.ragebattery.com/

Mike Walsh
West Palm Beach, Florida, U.S.A.

A typical UPS appliance, such as the OP's only provides power
for a limited time (~20min. in the OP's case) to shut things down
gracefully. They include a serial interface and software so the UPS
can tell the computer to shutdown normally. His also provides
some filtering/ brownout protection.

If you can live with a clean cutoff of power to your system,
like if you just pulled the plug or switched off a power strip,
then you can use a Line Conditioner instead of a UPS and
have clean power without the batteries.

For most home PC applications an UPS may not provide
much help. It won't save an overnight encode, or any other
operation that doesn't respond well to interruptions. If you
lose power while you are on the computer it can let you save
whatever you are working on at the time, though. Still, a lost
post or your progress in a game since your last save, might
not be worth the expense of a UPS.

If you are doing any real work that you don't want lost,
like say a video editing project, the great American Novel,
a new program to control your homemade robot, and you
aren't in the habit of saving things as you go along; then it
certainly can be worth the expense.

Now for your Tivo and satellite receiver, they really can
save the day.

Luck;
Ken
 
gh@ said:
I recently got an APC BK650MC UPS unit for free. I'm trying to decide if
it's worthwhile to spend $44 on the batts it needs.

This would be to backup a (surge protected) home system in an area that does
get some power spikes that currently cause my system to shutdown. A year
ago, this led to an XP install getting corrupted, and I had to do a
re-install which turned out to be a real pita.

I'm unfamiliar with these things, and any comments on pros and cons would be
appreciated.

If you got the APC 650 then you got a good unit, it's going to provide
stable power conditions so that you can properly shutdown the computer
when you experience a power loss, or it will shutdown the computer
(provided you have the communication cable and software) for you when
the battery runs low.

In most cases you can find new 600-750 units on sale for $50 at local
computer stores, so, a battery might not be the best buy.

Additionally, the power surge protection provided by the APC line is
great and really does save your hardware, provided you have all devices
connected to the computer on the surge (or battery) side and not just
connected to the wall (as an example, if you had all the power cords
connected to the UPS, but you have a MODEM cable connected to the PC,
you could still get zapped by the telephone line).

We never install any PC without a quality UPS and it's saved customers
down-time and expense many times.


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Jack S said:
I recently got an APC BK650MC UPS unit for free. I'm trying to decide if
it's worthwhile to spend $44 on the batts it needs.

This would be to backup a (surge protected) home system in an area that
does get some power spikes that currently cause my system to shutdown. A
year ago, this led to an XP install getting corrupted, and I had to do a
re-install which turned out to be a real pita.

I'm unfamiliar with these things, and any comments on pros and cons would
be appreciated.

Thanks

I would have to agree with Leythos, watch for sales and you will find that
you can probably pick up a new unit for the same or less than the cost of
the batteries your looking to buy. This weekends Sunday ads showed Staples
selling an APC 550VA for $34.98 after $15 instant rebate and a $15 easy
rebate. That would make it a no brainer for me.
 
Most UPSs provide power long enough for most power interruptions, but none long enough for longer periods. E.g. the power outage from the daily thunderstorms here vary from less than a second to about 20 seconds, but no UPS will provide power long enough for the outage caused by the occasional hurricane.
Besides my computer UPSs I have another UPS for my video receiver, video recorder, DSL modem, router, and telephone answering machine. It saves having to reset clocks and dealing with buggy software in these devices.
 
Mike Walsh said:
Most UPSs provide power long enough for most power interruptions, but none
long enough for longer periods. E.g. the power outage from the daily
thunderstorms here vary from less than a second to about 20 seconds,

That's really what I'm trying to deal with, versus working through minutes
long outages.

Occasionally, there are days here where due to storms and/or power
installation/maintennace, I'll get 4 or 5 short interupts or power spikes.
Cumulatively, these can corrupt an XP install.




but no UPS will provide power long enough for the outage caused by the
occasional hurricane.
 
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Yes it is worthwhile. Only rarely is it not worthwhile to
replace UPS batteries, the only cases I can think of are if
you know it had an electronic failure OR if it was a very
low-end model purchased as a closeout or with a rebate which
makes the batteries cost very near as much (if not more)
than the entire UPS. I suppose the other scenario where it
wouldn't make sense is if it were old w/serial interface and
you wanted a newer unit with USB interface or that had newer
software with desirable features.


Less than half the price of buying a new whole unit. I end up replacing
the batteries in the UPS (2 of them) about every 3 years. Doesn't
matter that their voltage test passes. Problem is they lose amperage
capacity so they're uptime wanes over time.

Quite true, though if the load on the UPS isn't much and a
shutdown sequence is reasonably short duration, another
couple of years can be had out of the batteries so long as
they weren't subject to frequent full(er) discharges.

So how familiar are you with working on electronic gear? Replacing a
battery in a UPS isn't difficult but neither is replacing a car
alternator, washing maching motor, or roofing your house but many
consumers won't even attempt them. How difficult is it to get into the
case? The UPS that I buy have screws holding the outer shell halves
together but I've seen many that are press-fitted together and you could
end up destroying the tangs holding them together if you force the shell
halves apart.

Replacing an UPS battery is at least an order of magnitude
easier and faster than replacing a car alternator or washing
machine motor, etc., even if it required sliding a knife
blade around the case seams to pop all the friction tabs
apart. Roofing your house? You must be kidding. It
requires a screwdriver and maybe knife blade and plastic
shims (to keep case seams apart "IF" required to pop open
instead of using only screws) like strips of an old credit
card or cardboard, and about 3-10 minutes time. It's more
work and time just to find the battery, order and receive,
or drive to a local store to pick it up. I suppose some
parts of rural areas might make the drive a lot of "work" or
expense given today's gas prices but it's not like your
washing machine motor or alternator avoids these factors
either.

However on that model it looks more like it would have
approx 4 screws on the bottom which secure the entire top
shell, which then slides backwards away from the bezel for
access.
 
I would have to agree with Leythos, watch for sales and you will find that
you can probably pick up a new unit for the same or less than the cost of
the batteries your looking to buy. This weekends Sunday ads showed Staples
selling an APC 550VA for $34.98 after $15 instant rebate and a $15 easy
rebate. That would make it a no brainer for me.

It's not an equivalent model, more differences than just
100VA. Beyond higher current, the BK650 uses something like
a 12Ah battery while the Staples 550VA model uses about
7-8Ah.
 
kony wrote:
| On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:23:18 -0400, "Jerry" <[email protected]>
| wrote:
|
|| ||| I recently got an APC BK650MC UPS unit for free. I'm trying to
||| decide if it's worthwhile to spend $44 on the batts it needs.
|||
||| This would be to backup a (surge protected) home system in an area
||| that does get some power spikes that currently cause my system to
||| shutdown. A year ago, this led to an XP install getting corrupted,
||| and I had to do a re-install which turned out to be a real pita.
|||
||| I'm unfamiliar with these things, and any comments on pros and cons
||| would be appreciated.
|||
||| Thanks
||
|| I would have to agree with Leythos, watch for sales and you will
|| find that you can probably pick up a new unit for the same or less
|| than the cost of the batteries your looking to buy. This weekends
|| Sunday ads showed Staples selling an APC 550VA for $34.98 after $15
|| instant rebate and a $15 easy rebate. That would make it a no
|| brainer for me.
||
|
| It's not an equivalent model, more differences than just
| 100VA. Beyond higher current, the BK650 uses something like
| a 12Ah battery while the Staples 550VA model uses about
| 7-8Ah.

http://www.atbatt.com/ups-backup-batteries/b/APC/m/BK650MC.asp 24.29
plus shipping
Price for unit might be in the 159 to 149.00 range
http://www.4techdeals.com/SearchMenuAction.cfm?Manufact=APC

Rose
 
Jack said:
That's really what I'm trying to deal with, versus working through minutes
long outages.

Occasionally, there are days here where due to storms and/or power
installation/maintennace, I'll get 4 or 5 short interupts or power spikes.
Cumulatively, these can corrupt an XP install.

That's why we use them on every computer in the house (all seven of
them). Also have a TV on a UPS since its the HTPC monitor.

We use APC Back-UPS ES 650 devices. In addition to being convenient UPS
units, they also seem to provide excellent surge protection and an
audible warning when there is a power problem.

We also use small and old APC units on the cable modem, router, switches
and WAP. Really seems to help network stability during storms.

I don't use the UPS power-out detection software although it would
probably be a good idea to do so.
 
Mike said:
A UPS is worthwhile if you want to leave a PC on for long periods
where power is not very reliable. It will provide protection for
brownouts and blackouts. The only drawback is the cost of battery
replacement every few years. I have not been able to find good
prices locally. I bought batteries abut a year ago from
http://www.ragebattery.com/

Sounded good, but on access they don't even list a battery for a
Thinkpad T30 (a common unit).

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Sounded good, but on access they don't even list a battery for a
Thinkpad T30 (a common unit).


Finding a common size of SLA battery for an UPS is quite a
lot easier than a proprietary battery pack for a notebook.
Practially any small-sized SLA battery manufacturer will
make them.
 
on the Basis of simply using an APC they are invaluable for protecting your
PC and important data, IF they are the kind that if your line voltage drops
below a certain point, they kick in and using the battery add to the voltage
and bring it back to standard voltage.
Also in the case of a blackout, it allows the pc to shut down safely, rather
than abruptly and possibly losing data and or corrupting the windows OS/HD.

ONce I had my wife shut down the pc in the middle of doing something, and it
required me to do a complete reinstall of the OS, thankfully I had and
continue to keep updated, backups so other than the time it took to
reinstall, I didn't lose a thing.
 
Jack said:
I recently got an APC BK650MC UPS unit for free. I'm trying to decide if
it's worthwhile to spend $44 on the batts it needs.

The cheapest source of replacement batteries may be a local fire/
security alarm supply co.
 
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