ANYONE using hd over137gig and win98 that works????

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if there is a way to use win98se and a 200gig drive, how do you do it,
so that it sees all the drive and doesn't loose data.
 
Donald D. said:
if there is a way to use win98se and a 200gig drive, how do you do it,
so that it sees all the drive and doesn't loose data.
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As long as your in FAT32 WINDOWS 98 doesn't care.

Your BIOS needs to have large LBA capability.

Why beat up Windows 98 when the problem is your limited knowledge base.

HG
 
Donald said:
if there is a way to use win98se and a 200gig drive,
how do you do it, so that it sees all the drive and
doesn't loose data.
Click to expand...

www.48bitlba.com has information about doing this. They say that mobos
based on Intel 8xx chipsets need only the Intel Applications
Accelerator driver, and this worked for my 200GB HD and Intel 810i mobo
(its BIOS supports only up to 137GB). They say that VIA's newer 4-in-1
drivers, those that support ATA133 will also provide such support to
Windows 98-ME, but I haven't tried it. I've read that NVidia NForce
chipsets do not include such a driver, and I can't find this
information about SiS chipsets.

Another way to use 200GB with Win98SE is with a PCI IDE card and its
associated Windows driver. I've done this with Promise and Silicon
Image cards, but SIIG cards (Artop chipset?) will work, too.
Pricewatch.com lists some very cheap PCI IDE cards, and I bought two
ATA133 Silicon Image cards for $13 apiece, delivered, from Acortech.com
(must specify free shipping coupon code for this price). These cards
also support RAID.
 
As long as your in FAT32 WINDOWS 98 doesn't care.

Your BIOS needs to have large LBA capability.

Why beat up Windows 98 when the problem is your limited knowledge base.

HG
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I am aware that Maxtor states there are three ways to solve the 137gig
barrier as follows:
137Gigabyte barrier solutions:
This information applies to the necessary steps that need to be taken
to break the 137
Gigabyte barrier, whenever a Hard Disk drive larger than 137 Gigabytes
is connected to
the motherboard’s ATA bus.
This does not apply to embedded or add-in Serial ATA, or ATA/133
hosts. The Serial ATA
and ATA/133 hosts should have 48-Bit compliant BIOS and drivers. Check
with the
motherboard or add-in host manufacturer for the latest BIOS and driver
updates, for these
types of controllers.
Currently there are 3 options to remedy the 137 Gigabyte barrier.
Failure to implement the
solutions will result in data loss when trying to access the hard disk
beyond 137
Gigabytes.

Installation Option 1: For drives attached to the primary or secondary
channel on the
motherboard controller, use Windows XP (service pack 1 or newer) or
Windows 2000 (service
pack 3 or newer), and install MaxBlast 3, or Maxtor Big Drive Enabler.
Windows XP and 2000 with the newest service packs can be used without
additional hardware
requirements. This option assumes you are attaching the hard drive to
the primary or secondary
motherboard controller. If you are attaching the hard drive to an
additional controller (e.g., PCI
adapter card), see option 3.
Step 1: Attach the large hard drive to the primary or secondary
motherboard controller.
Step 2: Install one of the following operating systems:
• Microsoft Windows XP with Service Pack 1 or newer.
• Microsoft Windows 2000 with Service Pack 3 or newer.
Step 3: Install MaxBlast 3, or Run Maxtor Big Drive Enabler software
patch.
Installation Option 2: For drives attached to the primary or secondary
channel on the
motherboard controller—and you don’t have Windows XP (service pack 1
or newer) or Windows
2000 (service pack 3 or newer)—install a 48-Bit LBA compliant IDE
ATA/ATAPI controller driver,
and run the driver installation software.
If you are not using Windows XP (service pack 1 or newer) or Windows
2000 (service pack 3 or
newer), you must use an IDE ATA/ATAPI controller driver supplied by
the controller chipset
manufacturer to provide 48-Bit LBA support. This option assumes you
are attaching the hard
drive to the primary or secondary motherboard controller. If you are
attaching a hard drive to an
additional controller (e.g., PCI adapter card), see option 3.
Step 1: Attach the large hard drive to the primary or secondary
motherboard controller,
and install the operating system.
Step 2: Identify the chipset used in your operating system, and load
the appropriate
drivers if available from the chipset manufacturer.
Currently the only chipset manufacturer offering 48-Bit compliant
motherboard controller
drivers is Intel.
The driver effectively replaces the Windows 98/Me, 2000 and XP, ATA
controller drivers. The
Intel 48-Bit LBA compliant IDE ATA/ATAPI controller drivers are
limited to systems with Intel
chipsets, and support the following chipsets only: 810, 810E, 810E2,
810L, 815, 815EP, 815G,
815EG, 815P, 820, 820E, 840, 845, 845E, 845G, 845GE, 845GL, 845GV,
845PE, 850, 850E,
860. The Intel Application Accelerator can be obtained here
http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/iaa/ Please read Intel's
accompanying documentation and
recommendations.
You will need to periodically check other chipset and motherboard
manufacturer’s web
sites for 48-Bit LBA compliant IDE ATA/ATAPI controller drivers as
they become available.

Installation Option 3: Attach the large hard drive to an embedded or
add-in Serial ATA/ ATA133
controller with a 48-Bit LBA compliant BIOS and controller driver.
Older Microsoft Operating Systems and other Operating Systems, such as
LINUX variants, can
support large drives with the addition of an IDE ATA/ATAPI controller.
Some of these are
embedded motherboard controllers, but additional card controllers can
be added to a system by
inserting the controller in an open PCI bus slot. Most IDE ATA/ATAPI
drive controllers capable of
48-Bit LBA support, such as those available from Promise, Highpoint,
VIA, have 48-Bit LBA
compliant drivers for many of these operating systems. Using an IDE
ATA/ATAPI controller that
has a 48-Bit LBA compatible controller driver will allow safe use of
large drives beyond the
previous limits of 137 GB capacity. Additional controllers that do not
have 48-Bit compliant drivers
cannot safely access drives larger than 137 GB.
Step 1: Attach the large hard drive to the additional controller
(e.g., PCI adapter card).
Step 2: Install a 48-Bit LBA compatible controller driver.
Most IDE ATA/ATAPI drive controllers capable of 48-Bit LBA support,
such as those available
from Promise, Highpoint, VIA, and other manufacturers, have 48-Bit LBA
compliant drivers for
many operating systems. If your additional controller does not come
with a 48-Bit LBA compliant
controller driver, you must download one from the motherboard or
chipset manufacturer’s Web
site.

I want to know if anyone has a working win98 system solution that
doesn't loose data and how did they do it.
:)
 
Donald said:
I am aware that Maxtor states there are three ways to solve the 137gig
barrier as follows:
137Gigabyte barrier solutions:
This information applies to the necessary steps that need to be taken
to break the 137
Gigabyte barrier, whenever a Hard Disk drive larger than 137 Gigabytes
is connected to
the motherboard’s ATA bus.
This does not apply to embedded or add-in Serial ATA, or ATA/133
hosts. The Serial ATA
and ATA/133 hosts should have 48-Bit compliant BIOS and drivers. Check
with the
motherboard or add-in host manufacturer for the latest BIOS and driver
updates, for these
types of controllers.
Currently there are 3 options to remedy the 137 Gigabyte barrier.
Failure to implement the
solutions will result in data loss when trying to access the hard disk
beyond 137
Gigabytes.

Installation Option 1: For drives attached to the primary or secondary
channel on the
motherboard controller, use Windows XP (service pack 1 or newer) or
Windows 2000 (service
pack 3 or newer), and install MaxBlast 3, or Maxtor Big Drive Enabler.
Windows XP and 2000 with the newest service packs can be used without
additional hardware
requirements. This option assumes you are attaching the hard drive to
the primary or secondary
motherboard controller. If you are attaching the hard drive to an
additional controller (e.g., PCI
adapter card), see option 3.
Step 1: Attach the large hard drive to the primary or secondary
motherboard controller.
Step 2: Install one of the following operating systems:
• Microsoft Windows XP with Service Pack 1 or newer.
• Microsoft Windows 2000 with Service Pack 3 or newer.
Step 3: Install MaxBlast 3, or Run Maxtor Big Drive Enabler software
patch.
Installation Option 2: For drives attached to the primary or secondary
channel on the
motherboard controller—and you don’t have Windows XP (service pack 1
or newer) or Windows
2000 (service pack 3 or newer)—install a 48-Bit LBA compliant IDE
ATA/ATAPI controller driver,
and run the driver installation software.
If you are not using Windows XP (service pack 1 or newer) or Windows
2000 (service pack 3 or
newer), you must use an IDE ATA/ATAPI controller driver supplied by
the controller chipset
manufacturer to provide 48-Bit LBA support. This option assumes you
are attaching the hard
drive to the primary or secondary motherboard controller. If you are
attaching a hard drive to an
additional controller (e.g., PCI adapter card), see option 3.
Step 1: Attach the large hard drive to the primary or secondary
motherboard controller,
and install the operating system.
Step 2: Identify the chipset used in your operating system, and load
the appropriate
drivers if available from the chipset manufacturer.
Currently the only chipset manufacturer offering 48-Bit compliant
motherboard controller
drivers is Intel.
The driver effectively replaces the Windows 98/Me, 2000 and XP, ATA
controller drivers. The
Intel 48-Bit LBA compliant IDE ATA/ATAPI controller drivers are
limited to systems with Intel
chipsets, and support the following chipsets only: 810, 810E, 810E2,
810L, 815, 815EP, 815G,
815EG, 815P, 820, 820E, 840, 845, 845E, 845G, 845GE, 845GL, 845GV,
845PE, 850, 850E,
860. The Intel Application Accelerator can be obtained here
http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/iaa/ Please read Intel's
accompanying documentation and
recommendations.
You will need to periodically check other chipset and motherboard
manufacturer’s web
sites for 48-Bit LBA compliant IDE ATA/ATAPI controller drivers as
they become available.

Installation Option 3: Attach the large hard drive to an embedded or
add-in Serial ATA/ ATA133
controller with a 48-Bit LBA compliant BIOS and controller driver.
Older Microsoft Operating Systems and other Operating Systems, such as
LINUX variants, can
support large drives with the addition of an IDE ATA/ATAPI controller.
Some of these are
embedded motherboard controllers, but additional card controllers can
be added to a system by
inserting the controller in an open PCI bus slot. Most IDE ATA/ATAPI
drive controllers capable of
48-Bit LBA support, such as those available from Promise, Highpoint,
VIA, have 48-Bit LBA
compliant drivers for many of these operating systems. Using an IDE
ATA/ATAPI controller that
has a 48-Bit LBA compatible controller driver will allow safe use of
large drives beyond the
previous limits of 137 GB capacity. Additional controllers that do not
have 48-Bit compliant drivers
cannot safely access drives larger than 137 GB.
Step 1: Attach the large hard drive to the additional controller
(e.g., PCI adapter card).
Step 2: Install a 48-Bit LBA compatible controller driver.
Most IDE ATA/ATAPI drive controllers capable of 48-Bit LBA support,
such as those available
from Promise, Highpoint, VIA, and other manufacturers, have 48-Bit LBA
compliant drivers for
many operating systems. If your additional controller does not come
with a 48-Bit LBA compliant
controller driver, you must download one from the motherboard or
chipset manufacturer’s Web
site.

I want to know if anyone has a working win98 system solution that
doesn't loose data and how did they do it.
:)
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I've got a TB (4 Maxtor 250's) accessible by my W98SE machine.

They're on a second PC running Solaris -- the W98SE machine gets access
via Samba.
 
henny said:
As long as your in FAT32 WINDOWS 98 doesn't care.

Your BIOS needs to have large LBA capability.
Click to expand...

Oh, why is that?
Why beat up Windows 98 when the problem is your limited knowledge base.
Click to expand...

So let's test yours then.
Or better, let's not, since you failed to mention the need for a 48-bit driver.
 
www.48bitlba.com has information about doing this. They say that mobos
based on Intel 8xx chipsets need only the Intel Applications
Accelerator driver, and this worked for my 200GB HD and Intel 810i mobo
(its BIOS supports only up to 137GB). They say that VIA's newer 4-in-1
drivers, those that support ATA133 will also provide such support to
Windows 98-ME, but I haven't tried it. I've read that NVidia NForce
chipsets do not include such a driver, and I can't find this
information about SiS chipsets.

Another way to use 200GB with Win98SE is with a PCI IDE card and its
associated Windows driver. I've done this with Promise and Silicon
Image cards, but SIIG cards (Artop chipset?) will work, too.
Pricewatch.com lists some very cheap PCI IDE cards, and I bought two
ATA133 Silicon Image cards for $13 apiece, delivered, from Acortech.com
(must specify free shipping coupon code for this price). These cards
also support RAID.
Click to expand...
thanks for the info, my luck, I have the NVidia chipset.... :(
thanks again
 
Donald said:
if there is a way to use win98se and a 200gig drive, how do you do it,
so that it sees all the drive and doesn't loose data.
Click to expand...


i'm using W98SE with a 160gb drive

i set up the 1st 60gb as c: d: e: f: g:
at 2, 8, 8, 15, 29

i loaded w98 *dos* into c:

and w98 itself into d: (using System Commander 8)

btw, don't use the win98se fdisk for a 200gb drive!

you'll need a recent mobo or disk adapter and a
recent bios (to get by the 137gb limit), and
a *recent* 3rd party partition/format program
(the win98se fdisk is way too old)

my System Commander ver. 8 user manual states
<"98/Me MUST be installed in the 1st 64gb of a drive">

i personally plan to load Win2000 (w/update-4 and NTFS)
into the last 100gb of the drive (still haven't gotten
around to doing it)

bill
 
Folkert said:
They also say (parrot) that you need a 48-bit compatible bios ;-).
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I was worried about that, but my Intel 810i type mobo, a Soyo 7/IWLM v.
1.0,
doesn't (Award 6.xx), yet it booted fine with the 200GB HD and didn't
overwrite
the boot partition when I copied the D: partition to the E: partiton,
which
started at 120GB.
 
larry moe 'n curly said:
I was worried about that, but my Intel 810i type mobo, a Soyo 7/IWLM v. 1.0,
doesn't (Award 6.xx), yet it booted fine with the 200GB HD
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and didn't overwrite the boot partition when I copied the D: partition to the E:
partition, which started at 120GB.
Click to expand...

Using Windows. You would have had a problem doing that using DOS.
 
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