Another Mass Shooting in USA

The right to keep and bear arms is codified in the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution, which reads: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Until the time this is annulled sadly this sought of thing will carry on.

It’s a vote looser for anyone running for President!
 
There was some US commentator suggesting that if all the students had guns they would have fought back and the death toll would have been lower. :eek:

He's right in one sense but surely it would be better to get rid of all guns - an impossibility now in the US.

Very, very sad.
 
Failed attempt at a shoe bomb and we all have to take our shoes off at airports. How many more of these killings have to happen before something is done about it ?
 
feckit said:
The right to keep and bear arms is codified in the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution, which reads: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Until the time this is annulled sadly this sought of thing will carry on.

It’s a vote looser for anyone running for President!
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That Amendment was written,I think,when the young Americawas fighting the British for independence from the home country. I would have though that when indepandence was won that amendment was curtailed some what.now they are reaping the harvest.
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Written when it was all musket weapons and they had no idea the damage weapons can do hundreds of years later. When the west really was wild
 
Observation: That was the 294th mass shooting in the USA this year, which means they're probably on track to top 300 in 2015.

As their President pointed out, repeals of gun laws in the UK and Australia have reduced this type of incident in those countries, almost to the point of insignificance.

But the US will never give up it's right to bear arms, they consider themselves protected by owning a firearm. Nothing to do with the fact they're all scaredy-cats, oh no ;)

So, until that day happens when firearms are outlawed (never) the USA will continually suffer these sort of mass murders. I don't have an answer to the problem but I will say every country will spawn nutters, it's just that most 'advanced' countries don't make it easy for a deranged person to own a gun.

And on a personal note, I've never been into guns at all, no interest at all. Which I feel quite comfortable with.
 
Well the Irish (IRA ),Italians ( Mafia ), Spanish (ETA ), Sweden (That island shooting ) etc etc etc . have gun laws an they seem to be able to obtain them easily enough. An they certainly have no problems with using them indiscriminately. :nod:

Point is laws are a load of tosh.

People have to want to not shoot folks. :cool:
 
Abarbarian said:
Point is laws are a load of tosh.

People have to want to not shoot folks. :cool:
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Laws are essential, even if a few of them are a little bizarre. We'd be in a fine state if there were no laws.

Civilisation and society can only exist if laws are in place and observed.

And, 99.999% of people don't want to shoot folks. But there'll always be that tiny, tiny percentage who will be different. The same goes for just about everything else.
 
nivrip said:
Laws are essential, even if a few of them are a little bizarre. We'd be in a fine state if there were no laws.

Civilisation and society can only exist if laws are in place and observed.

And, 99.999% of people don't want to shoot folks. But there'll always be that tiny, tiny percentage who will be different. The same goes for just about everything else.
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People 'still willing to torture'
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Subjects were apparently given electric shocks
Decades after a notorious experiment, scientists have found test subjects are still willing to inflict pain on others - if told to by an authority figure.

US researchers repeated the famous "Milgram test", with volunteers told to deliver electrical shocks to another volunteer - played by an actor.

Even after faked screams of pain, 70% were prepared to increase the voltage, the American Psychologist study found.

Both may help explain why apparently ordinary people can commit atrocities.
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As to LAWS. Well considering the ethics and morals of our leaders over the past twenty years and the sort of draconian laws they have passed. I am happy to say that I have no respect whatever for them and will rely on my own innate sense of justice to see me through life.
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Abarbarian said:
Well the Irish (IRA ),Italians ( Mafia ), Spanish (ETA ), Sweden (That island shooting ) etc etc etc . have gun laws an they seem to be able to obtain them easily enough. An they certainly have no problems with using them indiscriminately. :nod:

Point is laws are a load of tosh.

People have to want to not shoot folks. :cool:
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Generally speaking it's people suffering from mental health problems who usually want to kill people, especially those who commit mass shootings.

And facts are facts, in the UK and Australia, to name but two, gun deaths are extremely lower than in the United States. The difference is plain, it's illegal for most of the population to own a gun in UK and Aus whereas just about anybody can own a gun in America.

And look at the deaths from guns in America, it's obscene, imo.

And the argument that organised criminal factions can obtain guns doesn't wash, of course people can obtain guns illegally, I could if I wanted one, but I don't think I need one, I have a large sharp knife, a baseball bat and a very sturdy front door (The only way in, 6th floor) so that'll do me.

As for no laws, that's foolish, imo, I tasted anarchy here in London several years back following the shooting to death of a man by police in Tottenham and it wasn't pleasant. Countless incidences of mugging, burglary, violence and rape and those were just the ones I heard about, people were literally too scared to walk the streets.

Our laws - and our police - aren't perfect, far from it, but for the most part they work and I feel safe walking the streets where I live 24/7.
 
Well Flop's your right chaos is not a good way to live.

West Midlands with highest gun rate in the country(2015)
There was 540 firearm offences dealt with by West Midlands Police last year - a rise of 41 incidents meaning there is now a higher gun crime rate across the Black Country and Birmingham than London.
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"The firearms surrenders carried out by police forces last year helped to remove thousands of guns from circulation; weapons which could have fallen into the hands of criminals.
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There have been quite a few gun amnesty's since the 70's all of them producing shed loads of weapons that ordinary folk have collected for one reason or another. So it ain't just organised crime that has illegal guns.

Gun crime on the rise? Our timeline shows 30 shootings in Greater Manchester in the last 14 months(2015)
The brazen shooting of a man standing outside a pub with his friends in Wythenshawe is the latest example of spiralling gun crime in Greater Manchester.

Our timeline shows it is the latest of at least 30 shootings - three of them fatal - in the last 14 months, most of them in Salford.

A police crackdown on gang and gun crime in south Manchester dubbed XCalibre - which included the jailing of key mobsters - almost wiped out gun incidents in places like Old Trafford, Moss Side and Longsight although tensions between the rival Gooch and Doddington outfits and various spin-offs continued.
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MBE for Stretford woman who fought 1990s Manchester gun crime

Through ground breaking awareness campaigns, the 50-year-old spearheaded community resilience that helped turn the tide against a surge in gang-related deaths, which saw the city dubbed ‘Gunchester’ in the 1990s.

“I used to socialise in Moss Side,” remembered Angela, of Gorse Hill. “Some of the early shootings that took place were of people I’d grown up with.

“I lost friends through gang violence and was affected by it.

“I thought: ‘Someone has to do something, and that someone is us’.”

But the notion of community action and politicians’ talk of a ‘Big Society’ were years away.
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As I said before it ain't laws that change things. It is people.

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http://www.messengernewspapers.co.u...ught_1990s_Manchester_gun_crime/?ref=mr&lp=19
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/02/17/west-midlands-with-highest-gun-rate-in-the-country/
 
Abarbarian said:
As I said before it ain't laws that change things. It is people.

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You miss the point. If guns are harder to access then they will be used less for killing. As obvious as the nose on your boatrace really.

A thought did occur to me though, America may have more gun murders than any other 'advanced' country in the world but it also has a huge population. So I searched for a chart that gave gun fatalities per capita and oddly enough top of the list was..... Norway :confused:

The US was still way ahead of the UK and Australia though and of course I have no idea how accurate an internet chart could be.

But if it was Norway? Must be all those short winter days.

If a person has a gun, loses his rag or goes doolally, he has the means to shoot and kill. If guns are hard to get our would-be gun-murderer may have calmed down before he's able to access a firearm.

And that's how gun laws save lives. You'll never stop pre-meditated or gang gun murders, whatever laws are in place.
 
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