...and life is nice and slow again...

[Guest]

Bought a brand new HP Pavillion with Turion64, Nvidia, 1GB Ram (I mean, 1GB!).
Installed Vista 64.
Catchy UI, I'd say.
After startup the RAM used is 412MB (and I havent started ANY application
[that I know of]).
Stopped few services to get it down to about 360.
I did not even try to install Visual Studio on this snail. I spent 160 extra
dollars to get 2GB (I mean 2GB! my network server runs on 512MB), so that I
can use virtual images to install VS and the server apps.
Navigating the internet is frustrating (Firefox is a MUST if you want to get
going) and the wifi connection dropped at least 3 times a day in the first
week (my colleagues are constantly connected and I'm always ashamed to ask
the to cycle the router every time).
I played 2 chess games (I won one!), pretty cool. The 3rd time the form was
pitch black, coudn't play. Rebootd the machine and got it back (maybe the
NVidia drivers).

I don't understand how MS could make me pay money to beta test this product.
I am so frustrated I want to install Linux and work on VMWare instances of
XP (as I'll have to do it anyway).

I am a MS Partner, I did not deserve this....

 

[Zim Babwe]

I don't think MS made you pay money to beta test the product. You did that
on your own! From what I'm gathering, people should wait 3-6 months till
the drivers are ready, bugs are ironed out and maybe SP1 is delivered.

 

[Sly Dog]

Psssst... Don't let M$ know you said that!

I don't think MS made you pay money to beta test the product. You did that
on your own! From what I'm gathering, people should wait 3-6 months till
the drivers are ready, bugs are ironed out and maybe SP1 is delivered.

Bought a brand new HP Pavillion with Turion64, Nvidia, 1GB Ram (I mean,
1GB!).
Installed Vista 64.
Catchy UI, I'd say.
After startup the RAM used is 412MB (and I havent started ANY application
[that I know of]).
Stopped few services to get it down to about 360.
I did not even try to install Visual Studio on this snail. I spent 160
extra
dollars to get 2GB (I mean 2GB! my network server runs on 512MB), so that
I
can use virtual images to install VS and the server apps.
Navigating the internet is frustrating (Firefox is a MUST if you want to
get
going) and the wifi connection dropped at least 3 times a day in the
first
week (my colleagues are constantly connected and I'm always ashamed to
ask
the to cycle the router every time).
I played 2 chess games (I won one!), pretty cool. The 3rd time the form
was
pitch black, coudn't play. Rebootd the machine and got it back (maybe the
NVidia drivers).

I don't understand how MS could make me pay money to beta test this
product.
I am so frustrated I want to install Linux and work on VMWare instances
of
XP (as I'll have to do it anyway).

I am a MS Partner, I did not deserve this....

 

[Kerry Brown]

What is the fascination with free RAM? I actually want my computer to use
the RAM I have installed. Most modern OS have the ability to swap memory in
and out making sure your RAM is being used by the processes that need it.
This actually makes the computer faster and more efficient. If you want to
see if you have enough RAM for your work habits and programs optimize your
page file statistics. Don't cripple the OS by trying to get "free" RAM.

 

[vista is stupid]

You should not play chess on vista since vista needs all the ram and cpu
power
just for its services.

Please, you should use only solitair that may have bugs still even if it
exists since win 3.1

vista is stupid

 

[vista is stupid]

yeah.. vista should be so badly designed that it will use ALL ram.. fill it
up!
Get a 64 bit version of vista that has 128gb limit and fill all that up too!

then when you launch notepad vista will say:

"sorry you don't have enough ram to use this program, Please format this pc
and install
an os like XP that is not insane"

vista is stupid. your idea of how computers will work well only if hard
disks become solid state with no moving parts.
But then there will be no ram since everything will be on one type of
memory.

In the meantime your ideas about computer performance are laughable to say
the least.
The only way to get more true performance is to get the OS leaner, since all
data needs processing and transfer through the pipelines...

gesh.. vista users are stupid!

What is the fascination with free RAM? I actually want my computer to use
the RAM I have installed. Most modern OS have the ability to swap memory
in and out making sure your RAM is being used by the processes that need
it. This actually makes the computer faster and more efficient. If you
want to see if you have enough RAM for your work habits and programs
optimize your page file statistics. Don't cripple the OS by trying to get
"free" RAM.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca

Bought a brand new HP Pavillion with Turion64, Nvidia, 1GB Ram (I mean,
1GB!).
Installed Vista 64.
Catchy UI, I'd say.
After startup the RAM used is 412MB (and I havent started ANY application
[that I know of]).
Stopped few services to get it down to about 360.
I did not even try to install Visual Studio on this snail. I spent 160
extra
dollars to get 2GB (I mean 2GB! my network server runs on 512MB), so that
I
can use virtual images to install VS and the server apps.
Navigating the internet is frustrating (Firefox is a MUST if you want to
get
going) and the wifi connection dropped at least 3 times a day in the
first
week (my colleagues are constantly connected and I'm always ashamed to
ask
the to cycle the router every time).
I played 2 chess games (I won one!), pretty cool. The 3rd time the form
was
pitch black, coudn't play. Rebootd the machine and got it back (maybe the
NVidia drivers).

I don't understand how MS could make me pay money to beta test this
product.
I am so frustrated I want to install Linux and work on VMWare instances
of
XP (as I'll have to do it anyway).

I am a MS Partner, I did not deserve this....

 

[Ken Gardner]

What is the fascination with free RAM?

It is so Windows 9x. It stems from ignorance or misunderstanding of how
memory management works in XP and Vista. Concepts such as "standby lists"
and "system file cache" and what they do are utterly alien to them. Closely
related topic: obsession with the new Vista disk defragmenter...but I
digress.

I actually want my computer to use the RAM I have installed.

To put the same point negatively, free RAM is wasted RAM. This is the key
to optimal perforance on any Windows NT-based PC, especially XP and Vista.
On Vista, when you open Task Manager, you want your free RAM to be zero or
as close to it as you can get.

Most modern OS have the ability to swap memory in and out making sure your
RAM is being used by the processes that need it. This actually makes the
computer faster and more efficient. If you want to see if you have enough
RAM for your work habits and programs optimize your page file statistics.
Don't cripple the OS by trying to get "free" RAM.

Exactly. And Vista's new SuperFetch feature does its best to keep your most
frequently used programs and data in RAM most of the time (beginning minutes
after you reboot your machine) rather than strictly on a "first in, first
out basis." This is probably the biggest design improvement over the XP
memory mamager.

Ken

 

[Dan]

Funny, it works great on my 2 year old IBM T42P, full aero glass and all.
Nice and smooth, and snappy. This is with a 1.8 pentium M and 1gb of ram.

Dan

 

[Kerry Brown]

In the end it's just another troll post, not someone actually trying to
optimize their computer.

The defrag thing is very funny isn't it? Some people can't see the forest
for the the trees.

I want my fancy dots/colours moving on the screen.

They are meaningless and actually slow things down.

But I want them.

 

[Gary]

Some people will just never get what a modern OS and memory management are
all about.
The memory is there so use it. Free memory does you no good at all.

You should not play chess on vista since vista needs all the ram and cpu
power
just for its services.

Please, you should use only solitair that may have bugs still even if it
exists since win 3.1

vista is stupid

Bought a brand new HP Pavillion with Turion64, Nvidia, 1GB Ram (I mean,
1GB!).
Installed Vista 64.
Catchy UI, I'd say.
After startup the RAM used is 412MB (and I havent started ANY application
[that I know of]).
Stopped few services to get it down to about 360.
I did not even try to install Visual Studio on this snail. I spent 160
extra
dollars to get 2GB (I mean 2GB! my network server runs on 512MB), so that
I
can use virtual images to install VS and the server apps.
Navigating the internet is frustrating (Firefox is a MUST if you want to
get
going) and the wifi connection dropped at least 3 times a day in the
first
week (my colleagues are constantly connected and I'm always ashamed to
ask
the to cycle the router every time).
I played 2 chess games (I won one!), pretty cool. The 3rd time the form
was
pitch black, coudn't play. Rebootd the machine and got it back (maybe the
NVidia drivers).

I don't understand how MS could make me pay money to beta test this
product.
I am so frustrated I want to install Linux and work on VMWare instances
of
XP (as I'll have to do it anyway).

I am a MS Partner, I did not deserve this....

 

[vista is stupid]

you should use memory for a reason you dope.. not hog it by the OS.

Vista is using the memory for itself, not as you guys claim for other
processes.

You simply cant get it.. that whatever you are saying applies only to a
computer that never turns on and off!

Try this experiment.. install vista with NO other programs... see what I
mean?

its bloated to hel* and all that data has to be transfered from the hard
disk and placed into the ram each time the computer loads...

try loading a 512 mb image file from your hard drive to the ram.. and see
how much cpu and time that needs.. thats the same amount of time and cpu
needed for friken vista
to load itself into the ram PLUS lots more because the programs are
executing and inflating inside the ram not simply getting inside the ram...

You dont seem to know anything about computers...

vista is stupid

Some people will just never get what a modern OS and memory management are
all about.
The memory is there so use it. Free memory does you no good at all.

You should not play chess on vista since vista needs all the ram and cpu
power
just for its services.

Please, you should use only solitair that may have bugs still even if it
exists since win 3.1

vista is stupid

Bought a brand new HP Pavillion with Turion64, Nvidia, 1GB Ram (I mean,
1GB!).
Installed Vista 64.
Catchy UI, I'd say.
After startup the RAM used is 412MB (and I havent started ANY
application
[that I know of]).
Stopped few services to get it down to about 360.
I did not even try to install Visual Studio on this snail. I spent 160
extra
dollars to get 2GB (I mean 2GB! my network server runs on 512MB), so
that I
can use virtual images to install VS and the server apps.
Navigating the internet is frustrating (Firefox is a MUST if you want to
get
going) and the wifi connection dropped at least 3 times a day in the
first
week (my colleagues are constantly connected and I'm always ashamed to
ask
the to cycle the router every time).
I played 2 chess games (I won one!), pretty cool. The 3rd time the form
was
pitch black, coudn't play. Rebootd the machine and got it back (maybe
the
NVidia drivers).

I don't understand how MS could make me pay money to beta test this
product.
I am so frustrated I want to install Linux and work on VMWare instances
of
XP (as I'll have to do it anyway).

I am a MS Partner, I did not deserve this....

 

[Mario]

I have found the per centage of defrag completed in XP beneficial and
accurate,
and the defrag is fast, because I have progs and data on logicals. Any
thing
less informative and speedy would indeed be considered a step backwards for
Vista, and from what I'm reading, it is just that. YMMV, IMHO

 

[Gary]

You are simply clueless.

you should use memory for a reason you dope.. not hog it by the OS.

Vista is using the memory for itself, not as you guys claim for other
processes.

You simply cant get it.. that whatever you are saying applies only to a
computer that never turns on and off!

Try this experiment.. install vista with NO other programs... see what I
mean?

its bloated to hel* and all that data has to be transfered from the hard
disk and placed into the ram each time the computer loads...

try loading a 512 mb image file from your hard drive to the ram.. and see
how much cpu and time that needs.. thats the same amount of time and cpu
needed for friken vista
to load itself into the ram PLUS lots more because the programs are
executing and inflating inside the ram not simply getting inside the
ram...

You dont seem to know anything about computers...

vista is stupid

Some people will just never get what a modern OS and memory management
are all about.
The memory is there so use it. Free memory does you no good at all.

You should not play chess on vista since vista needs all the ram and cpu
power
just for its services.

Please, you should use only solitair that may have bugs still even if it
exists since win 3.1

vista is stupid


Bought a brand new HP Pavillion with Turion64, Nvidia, 1GB Ram (I mean,
1GB!).
Installed Vista 64.
Catchy UI, I'd say.
After startup the RAM used is 412MB (and I havent started ANY
application
[that I know of]).
Stopped few services to get it down to about 360.
I did not even try to install Visual Studio on this snail. I spent 160
extra
dollars to get 2GB (I mean 2GB! my network server runs on 512MB), so
that I
can use virtual images to install VS and the server apps.
Navigating the internet is frustrating (Firefox is a MUST if you want
to get
going) and the wifi connection dropped at least 3 times a day in the
first
week (my colleagues are constantly connected and I'm always ashamed to
ask
the to cycle the router every time).
I played 2 chess games (I won one!), pretty cool. The 3rd time the form
was
pitch black, coudn't play. Rebootd the machine and got it back (maybe
the
NVidia drivers).

I don't understand how MS could make me pay money to beta test this
product.
I am so frustrated I want to install Linux and work on VMWare instances
of
XP (as I'll have to do it anyway).

I am a MS Partner, I did not deserve this....

 

[vista is stupid]

Please tell us what applications you use? lol
Wordpad?

Try loading photoshopCS2, corel 13, or even worse some 3d applications!
And wait.. not just load them.. open a frikin file on them too! lol

These work fine with a machine like yours with XP...
with vista it will crawl like a gasperian slime worm

Furthemore.. install on that vista machine all the codecs, drivers, IE and
explorer extensions, virus scanners, messengers bla bla bla that a computer
normally has...

Then wait 6 months with everyday use...so it will fill with various clutter
.....

THEN tell us about how fast vista is!

Stupid vista users...

Funny, it works great on my 2 year old IBM T42P, full aero glass and all.
Nice and smooth, and snappy. This is with a 1.8 pentium M and 1gb of ram.

Dan

Bought a brand new HP Pavillion with Turion64, Nvidia, 1GB Ram (I mean,
1GB!).
Installed Vista 64.
Catchy UI, I'd say.
After startup the RAM used is 412MB (and I havent started ANY application
[that I know of]).
Stopped few services to get it down to about 360.
I did not even try to install Visual Studio on this snail. I spent 160
extra
dollars to get 2GB (I mean 2GB! my network server runs on 512MB), so that
I
can use virtual images to install VS and the server apps.
Navigating the internet is frustrating (Firefox is a MUST if you want to
get
going) and the wifi connection dropped at least 3 times a day in the
first
week (my colleagues are constantly connected and I'm always ashamed to
ask
the to cycle the router every time).
I played 2 chess games (I won one!), pretty cool. The 3rd time the form
was
pitch black, coudn't play. Rebootd the machine and got it back (maybe the
NVidia drivers).

I don't understand how MS could make me pay money to beta test this
product.
I am so frustrated I want to install Linux and work on VMWare instances
of
XP (as I'll have to do it anyway).

I am a MS Partner, I did not deserve this....

 

[vista is stupid]

In the end it's just another troll post, not someone actually trying to

optimize their computer.

wtf? another troll post???

Whoever does not like vista and sees all the terrible design that went in
and openly says it, is a troll???

Yeah go call me a troll too..

I dont care... you are the one with vista.... oh thats why you are talking
like that..
because....

VISTA IS STUPID

 

[Ken Gardner]

In the end it's just another troll post, not someone actually trying to
optimize their computer.

The defrag thing is very funny isn't it? Some people can't see the forest
for the the trees.

I want my fancy dots/colours moving on the screen.

They are meaningless and actually slow things down.

But I want them.

 

[Ken Gardner]

Okay, I admit it, I confess: I once liked watching the fancy dots and colors
moving on the screen as well. I liked the old Windows 9x defragmentation
GUI even better. You can actually see those blue dots flying from one part
of the screen to another. That was so cool. I need to get a life...

In all seriousness, I fully agree with Microsoft's decision to junk the GUI
in Vista. Many people believe that defragmentation is by far the most
important bottleneck in system performance. For this, I blame third party
Kool-Aid-dispensers such as Diskeeper. They take undue advantage of people
who simply do not understand what really drives OS performance. People need
to wean themselves off their false notions regarding defragmentation. At
least for PCs, it isn't the disk drive. It's the memory chips and the
processor, and how you use them when multitasking in Windows. A
defragmented drive will outperform a fragmented, but you may never notice
the difference in overall system performance (least of all on Vista because
of SuperFetch).

 

[Ken Gardner]

you should use memory for a reason you dope.. not hog it by the OS.

Vista is using the memory for itself, not as you guys claim for other
processes.

Okay, genius. Explain to us your understanding of how Vista memory
management works. Let's see what you know -- and what you don't know.

You simply cant get it.. that whatever you are saying applies only to a
computer that never turns on and off!

I rarely turn my computer off. This is the 21st century. Modern computers
have cool functions such as "standby," "hibernate," and (in Vista) "sleep."
You get the benefits of saving energy AND keeping RAM populated with useful
code and data.

Try this experiment.. install vista with NO other programs... see what I
mean?

Pop Quiz:

SuperFetch is...

(a) A new Vista memory management feature that preloads code and data
that you use most often so that it is already resident in RAM when you load
them, thereby greatly enhancing overall system performance.

(b) The name of the dog that you see when doing a search in Windows XP.

(c) You have no clue.

its bloated to hel* and all that data has to be transfered from the hard
disk and placed into the ram each time the computer loads...

See above comments about modern 21st century computers.

try loading a 512 mb image file from your hard drive to the ram.. and see
how much cpu and time that needs.. thats the same amount of time and cpu
needed for friken vista

Try doing that with ANY operating system with that is starved for RAM or has
a slow CPU or hard drive. This isn't a Vista thing, but a hardware thing.

to load itself into the ram PLUS lots more because the programs are
executing and inflating inside the ram not simply getting inside the
ram...

You dont seem to know anything about computers...

The problem here is what you think you know that just ain't so.

vista is stupid

The problem here is not Vista.

Ken

 

[Dan]

I am not a "normal" computer user and I really do use my machines to the
max. This machine is used daily for all sorts off aps and has been running
Vista since Beta2. I have and use the full adobe CS2 suite along with office
2007. I have had to use vista so I can support my customers when I start
selling it on my systems. I game on the machine as well, nothing heavy duty,
but I play DS2, and Civ 4 to name a couple without having to turn anything
down. The machine itself has an ATI 128 FireGL video card with a native
resolution of 1600X1200 on a 15" screen. Vista has in the past been a tad
slow on the machine, but the final release is much quicker and very useable.
Granted, my laptop is not a normal Sams Club special and was quite expensive
when it was new, but it does run Vista with all the extras and additional
software great. And As far as IE and all the extras, I use IE only for
Microsoft Updates, I am an Opera user.

Yes Vista is heavier than XP, but its not as bad as people such as yourself
are reporting. Extensive testing with my machines has proven this. A nice
desktop with vista will only require at minimum a AMD Semperon CPU (2800 or
better), a GB of ram, and onboard nvidia graphics. This makes a nice solid,
snappy basic machine for everyday office/home use with Vista. If you wish to
work with graphics or game then I suggest a 7300GT or better video card with
2gb of RAM and a dual core CPU.

Dan

Please tell us what applications you use? lol
Wordpad?

Try loading photoshopCS2, corel 13, or even worse some 3d applications!
And wait.. not just load them.. open a frikin file on them too! lol

These work fine with a machine like yours with XP...
with vista it will crawl like a gasperian slime worm

Furthemore.. install on that vista machine all the codecs, drivers, IE and
explorer extensions, virus scanners, messengers bla bla bla that a
computer normally has...

Then wait 6 months with everyday use...so it will fill with various
clutter ....

THEN tell us about how fast vista is!

Stupid vista users...

Funny, it works great on my 2 year old IBM T42P, full aero glass and all.
Nice and smooth, and snappy. This is with a 1.8 pentium M and 1gb of ram.

Dan

Bought a brand new HP Pavillion with Turion64, Nvidia, 1GB Ram (I mean,
1GB!).
Installed Vista 64.
Catchy UI, I'd say.
After startup the RAM used is 412MB (and I havent started ANY
application
[that I know of]).
Stopped few services to get it down to about 360.
I did not even try to install Visual Studio on this snail. I spent 160
extra
dollars to get 2GB (I mean 2GB! my network server runs on 512MB), so
that I
can use virtual images to install VS and the server apps.
Navigating the internet is frustrating (Firefox is a MUST if you want to
get
going) and the wifi connection dropped at least 3 times a day in the
first
week (my colleagues are constantly connected and I'm always ashamed to
ask
the to cycle the router every time).
I played 2 chess games (I won one!), pretty cool. The 3rd time the form
was
pitch black, coudn't play. Rebootd the machine and got it back (maybe
the
NVidia drivers).

I don't understand how MS could make me pay money to beta test this
product.
I am so frustrated I want to install Linux and work on VMWare instances
of
XP (as I'll have to do it anyway).

I am a MS Partner, I did not deserve this....

 

[Zim Babwe]

I know at least one question. SuperFetch is when my dog runs after his
Frisby after it is thrown 100 feet.