AMD 1800 to 3000 upgrade

[Chuk]

I recently upgraded my AMD 1800 to a 3000xp processor.

I really didn't notice any appreciable inmprovent in performance, so
added another 512 memory and saw an immediate improvement, however I
am not convinced that I am getting full performance from the 3000
processor.

I have seen previous threads in this forum which suggest there is
"other action" required to get the processor running at full speed.
They seem to centre around changing the speed of the FSB, but I have
no experience in that area, and to be honest am not sure what
perfromance I am getting,

My mobo is a Gigabyte GA 7VT600 with VIA KT600 chipset.

I downloaded and installed the Fresh Diagnostic tool from Fresh
Devices and it verifies that I have an Athlon xp 3000 but shows a
frequency of 2170 Mhz - I would have expected that to be closer to the
3000 mark.

Running the benchmark shows that speed and as a comparison it shows an
AMD 1600 would run at around 1600, (but doesn't have anything nearer
to the 3000 for comparative purposes).

I have looked in the Mobo manual for any clues and in the section
referring to CPU Speed Setup it shows a 2 way switch called SW1 which
by default is set to ON. The manual indicates that is 100Mhz. OFF is
Auto.

It also says

100Mhz : Fix FSB 200Mhz CPU
Auto : Support FSB 266/333 Mhz CPU
You must set SW1 to 100MHz when you used FSB 200Mhz CPU

(That is an exact quote including the bad grammar)

Now my tempattaion is to set the switch to Auto to see what happens,
but I am wary of frying something.

I am reasonably adventurous in my fiddling, but would like to be sure
I am not completely off the track.

Would appreriate any advice.

Thanks.

 

[S.Heenan]

I recently upgraded my AMD 1800 to a 3000xp processor.

I really didn't notice any appreciable inmprovent in performance, so
added another 512 memory and saw an immediate improvement, however I
am not convinced that I am getting full performance from the 3000
processor.

I have seen previous threads in this forum which suggest there is
"other action" required to get the processor running at full speed.
They seem to centre around changing the speed of the FSB, but I have
no experience in that area, and to be honest am not sure what
perfromance I am getting,

My mobo is a Gigabyte GA 7VT600 with VIA KT600 chipset.

I downloaded and installed the Fresh Diagnostic tool from Fresh
Devices and it verifies that I have an Athlon xp 3000 but shows a
frequency of 2170 Mhz - I would have expected that to be closer to the
3000 mark.

Sounds about right, since a XP 3200+ runs ar 2200MHz.
Try WCPUID from http://www.h-oda.com/

 

[Clob]

Sounds about right, since a XP 3200+ runs ar 2200MHz.
Try WCPUID from http://www.h-oda.com/

If that 3000+ runs at 400mhz FSB, then you need to make sure you have the
correct ram for it to run at that speed. You will need DDR 3200 (400mhz).
Use WCPUID or CPUZ like he said and tell us the Core type (barton
probably), The FSB (HTT). Also, incase your mistaken, hat chip only runs at
2200mhz. But dont let that fool you, Intel and AMD are none alike. Megahertz
means nothing to AMD! 3000+ is the performance rating for the chip. It runs
as fast, if not faster (in games) than a P4 3ghz. Any other questions?

 

[John]

I recently upgraded my AMD 1800 to a 3000xp processor.

I really didn't notice any appreciable inmprovent in performance, so
added another 512 memory and saw an immediate improvement, however I
am not convinced that I am getting full performance from the 3000
processor.

There really isnt the huge differences in everyday use. You arent
going to see wordprocessors or browsers pop up 10 times faster or
anything. Generally the big improvements are in certain areas like
compressin and uncompressing things which is actually a big deal for
many people nowadays with video and music all being compressed in some
format or just straightforward compressed data like RAR etc.

And even then we arent talking 10 times faster or even 3 times faster.
When you talk about 10-20% improvements thats a LOT. But in general
you should feel a general beefiness , more reserve power when you run
several things at the same time that take a low of processing power.

In your case its even smaller since its not like you are going from a
1 gig to 3200 and the jump is fairly small and you arent going from
one era of technology to another like athlon to athlon 64 .

I have seen previous threads in this forum which suggest there is
"other action" required to get the processor running at full speed.
They seem to centre around changing the speed of the FSB, but I have
no experience in that area, and to be honest am not sure what
perfromance I am getting,

My mobo is a Gigabyte GA 7VT600 with VIA KT600 chipset.

I downloaded and installed the Fresh Diagnostic tool from Fresh
Devices and it verifies that I have an Athlon xp 3000 but shows a
frequency of 2170 Mhz - I would have expected that to be closer to the
3000 mark.

Thats what a Barton 3000 is supposed to be set at :

13*166MHz = 2.167GHz

Actually a better choice might have been the Barton 2500 which has a
lower multiplier and can virtually be guaranteed to hit 3200 at a
200FSB setting. The problem with the 3000 is it has a higher
multiplier so I dont know if you can hit a 13 x 200 speed without
problems. Ive seen people who said they can but you might need special
cooling etc which would add cost so it might not be worth it and it
might not work anyway after spending more.

What you would be doing is overclocking it running it beyond what it
was sold to do. Some chips can hit a higher level easily and some
cant.

The first thing is if you want to try it without any special cooling
etc and see if it can work is - does your board have a 200 fsb
setting? And you board is listed with a 200FSB. Also all that jumper
stuff. Are you sure its not already set on auto? Its not at 100 or the
CPU would come out even lower. Most boards are set via the BIOs
screen nowadays from pretty far back. You should be able to change the
FSB onscreen to 200.

And you need 3200 memory - or memory that can work at the higher
setting which is usually 3200 or higher. Sometimes you can get lucky
and 2700 memory can work at 3200 but thats another question mark in
the chain. If you try to overdo it your CPU can overheat and you
could have problems with your system.

I havent really thought about the 3000 much so maybe someone has more
detailed knowledge but my impression was that the athlon XPs were
topped out at 3200 maybe a bit higher or they would have come out with
a 4000 etc so since you are stuck with a multiplier of 13 raising the
FSB will probably hit the boundaries and the odds may be against you
unless you are lucky and you put out effort to cool it etc which
probably wont be worth it. Maybe the 2500 may actually be better if
you can exchange it since it CAN almost always hit 200 FSB and though
the difference between a 3000 and 3200 is puny the higher FSB makes a
fair difference though overall like I said there just arent HUGE
differences like 10 times faster speeds etc period in the PC world.

You really notice it when you are doing certain CPU intensive things
like I said or you are a gamer and you notice slow play in certain
games --- then either memory, CPU and/or better graphics card can all
have an impact.

 

[Chuk]

If that 3000+ runs at 400mhz FSB, then you need to make sure you have the
correct ram for it to run at that speed. You will need DDR 3200 (400mhz).
Use WCPUID or CPUZ like he said and tell us the Core type (barton
probably), The FSB (HTT). Also, incase your mistaken, hat chip only runs at
2200mhz. But dont let that fool you, Intel and AMD are none alike. Megahertz
means nothing to AMD! 3000+ is the performance rating for the chip. It runs
as fast, if not faster (in games) than a P4 3ghz. Any other questions?

Thanks for the responses - including in other threads, I find it all
a bit confusing.

I accept that the increase in speed may not be all that noticable, but
I have been doing some video work and did expect to see some change
there. I cetainly did notice the change when I added the extra
memory.

However I have noticed that the packaging for the XP 3000 processor
says that it has a 333Mhz FSB and as the mobo manual says SW1 can be
set to auto for that, I'm going to give that a go.

That will be tomorrows task, so I may disapear for a few days if it
all goes up in smoke!!!!

 

[Chuk]

There really isnt the huge differences in everyday use. You arent
going to see wordprocessors or browsers pop up 10 times faster or
anything.

Yes well I guess I was a bit naive in getting the 3000. I was aware
that the 1400 ran at about 1400Mhz and the 1800 ran at about 1800mhz
so assumed that the 3000 ran at 3000mhz and reckoned that would almost
double my processor speed, though I certainly didn't expect everything
to run twice as fast, I did expect to notice a duifference.

Actually a better choice might have been the Barton 2500 which has a
lower multiplier and can virtually be guaranteed to hit 3200 at a
200FSB setting.

I guess I should have done more research first.....

What you would be doing is overclocking it running it beyond what it
was sold to do. Some chips can hit a higher level easily and some
cant.

Not sure that I want to get into overclocking. I am an enthusiastic
"fiddler" but like to know what I'm doing first.

The first thing is if you want to try it without any special cooling
etc and see if it can work is - does your board have a 200 fsb
setting? And you board is listed with a 200FSB. Also all that jumper
stuff. Are you sure its not already set on auto? Its not at 100 or the
CPU would come out even lower.

You are right there. I changed the switch and it ran even slower, so
have gone back to the original setting


Most boards are set via the BIOs

screen nowadays from pretty far back. You should be able to change the
FSB onscreen to 200.

Well that has me a bit flummoxed. I did set the FSB to 200 - it seems
to be settable at any speed between 166 and 250, but maybe I am
misunderstanding that setting. In any event when I rebooted, it
pause, then rebotted again back to the default setting of 166. would
I need to change a voltage setting too??

I then tried setting it to some intermediate number like 185, but the
it just hung and went nowhere - didn't even reboot itself to default.

And you need 3200 memory - or memory that can work at the higher
setting which is usually 3200 or higher. Sometimes you can get lucky
and 2700 memory can work at 3200 but thats another question mark in
the chain.

Yes well that is a problem. The machine as bought !800XP had 512 meg
of pc2100 and I have now added 512 of 2700 so I guess it is still
running at te 2100 speed. If I replace that stick with 2700 or 3200
will there be any significant difference?

I havent really thought about the 3000 much ...........l like I said there just arent HUGE
differences like 10 times faster speeds etc period in the PC world.

Yes well like I said, I guess I was a bit naive in lashing out $200
(Aussie) for an upgrade that has had virtually no effect.

Thanks for your advice.

 

[Clob]

Yes well I guess I was a bit naive in getting the 3000. I was aware
that the 1400 ran at about 1400Mhz and the 1800 ran at about 1800mhz
so assumed that the 3000 ran at 3000mhz and reckoned that would almost
double my processor speed, though I certainly didn't expect everything
to run twice as fast, I did expect to notice a duifference.

Uhh... Just going from a 2400+ to my 3000+ I knoticed a realy nice increase
in everything. You need to realise that with every rating incrase with the
same frequency, there is more operations per clock. The (megahertz) of AMD
chips does not determince speed.

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[JANA]

A faster processor will only speed up the work that is done internally in
itself. If you are doing work that is very heavy on the processor functions,
then a faster processor will show. For most overall computer activities, the
work load is all over the place.

To have an overall speed increase, this involves the buss, cards, RAM, and
the hard disk. The buss speed, and hard disk speed, makes the most
difference from what I found.

--

JANA
_____


I recently upgraded my AMD 1800 to a 3000xp processor.

I really didn't notice any appreciable inmprovent in performance, so
added another 512 memory and saw an immediate improvement, however I
am not convinced that I am getting full performance from the 3000
processor.

I have seen previous threads in this forum which suggest there is
"other action" required to get the processor running at full speed.
They seem to centre around changing the speed of the FSB, but I have
no experience in that area, and to be honest am not sure what
perfromance I am getting,

My mobo is a Gigabyte GA 7VT600 with VIA KT600 chipset.

I downloaded and installed the Fresh Diagnostic tool from Fresh
Devices and it verifies that I have an Athlon xp 3000 but shows a
frequency of 2170 Mhz - I would have expected that to be closer to the
3000 mark.

Running the benchmark shows that speed and as a comparison it shows an
AMD 1600 would run at around 1600, (but doesn't have anything nearer
to the 3000 for comparative purposes).

I have looked in the Mobo manual for any clues and in the section
referring to CPU Speed Setup it shows a 2 way switch called SW1 which
by default is set to ON. The manual indicates that is 100Mhz. OFF is
Auto.

It also says

100Mhz : Fix FSB 200Mhz CPU
Auto : Support FSB 266/333 Mhz CPU
You must set SW1 to 100MHz when you used FSB 200Mhz CPU

(That is an exact quote including the bad grammar)

Now my tempattaion is to set the switch to Auto to see what happens,
but I am wary of frying something.

I am reasonably adventurous in my fiddling, but would like to be sure
I am not completely off the track.

Would appreriate any advice.

Thanks.

 

[John]

A faster processor will only speed up the work that is done internally in
itself. If you are doing work that is very heavy on the processor functions,
then a faster processor will show. For most overall computer activities, the
work load is all over the place.

To have an overall speed increase, this involves the buss, cards, RAM, and
the hard disk. The buss speed, and hard disk speed, makes the most
difference from what I found.

Yeah thats why it would have been better to get the barton 2500 and
overclock it to 3200 at 200 FSB but Im not even sure how huge the
difference would be there either.

He could sell the 3000 and probably by an OEM version of the barton
2500 which is still being sold at newegg etc But Ive seen in posts
they dont sell it in the UK anymore - so it depends on where hes at.

If he has an AGP/ PCI lock I think he can try upping the FSB
incrementally and see how high he can get but he'll still probably
need bettter memory as hes hanging his system already he posted when
he tried that.