All RAM not being displayed

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Brian

I recently upgraded my RAM from 128MB to 384MB but Windows
is still showing only 128MB. On the boot-up screen, also
at RAM count up all 384MB are shown.

I let DocMemory run overnight and no problems.

Windows doesn't show all RAM under System Properties or
Task Manager.

BTW, all RAM are from the same manufacturer and all three
are identical.

How can I get W2k to show all the RAM present?

Thanks for the help if anyone knows anything.

Brian
 
Brian - even apparently identical RAM sticks from the same manufacturer
can vary slightly (but enough) in characteristics like timing to disturb
W2k, which is much more demanding of perfection than BIOS. Particularly
if they are from different fabrication runs.

Try all 3 sticks one at a time. Then try them in pairs. Do this in
different RAM slots as well. If W2k is satisfied by the above, then try
all 3 at once, in different slot combinations. You may discover that one
or two are a bit faster or slower than the other(s).

RAM response is a matter of nanoseconds. Bits travel about an inch per
nanosecond. The RAM slots vary in distance from stick to processor,
hence which slot for which stick might make a difference that affects
W2k's decision that a stick(s) is good or bad.
 
Well thanks for the help anyway. I tried all 3
individually in different slots and then in pairs(about 16
different combinations). No Luck.

What is really funny is that the BIOS will show 128+ for
each stick but the W2K System Properties or Task Manager
shows still the same amount everytime 126512 no matter if
the chip has more or not. I thought maybe this number
should show at least some variance.

Thanks anyway.

Brian
 
Brian - too bad no clues from that effort; I guess you're saying all RAM
sticks individually and in combinations are seen by W2k singly and in
pairs but not in triplets, regardless of where placed.

I'm at a loss; can only suggest trying the RAM sticks in another
machine, or perhaps slowing down the system clocking on that machine
since it really may be some sort of timing problem. Could be a
complicated artifact of mainboard design. But that's headscratching
speculation. If for example W2k probes RAM to make sure its accesses are
all within a very small window of response time, and declares a stick
unreliable because its response falls outside that window, and somehow
on the board one of 3 or 4 sticks will always fall outside that window...

You're CERTAIN, from the board manual, that 3x128MB sticks is an OK
configuration? (If you don't have the manual, check the board mfr's
website.)

As far as the difference in reported RAM sizes goes, that is the result
of different methods of counting. Merely an ambiguity. Some people
consider 1K to be 1000 bytes, others 1024 bytes. Scale that up to MB and
GB and it's quite a difference. People write software that way too. And
marketeers love it; what's on the HDD box blurb usually is usually based
on the 1000 number, which is [technically] not correct but is a bigger #.
 
Dan: Thanks for the help.

Actually, it worked with each stick individually but not
in pairs or triplets.

I can't find my boot.ini file so maybe that is part of the
problem. First I'll try to replace it and see how that
goes and if that doesn't work then I'll try clocking it
down a bit.

BTW, I looked in my mother board's manual before I decided
to do the upgrade. So, the RAM will work; it just seems
to be a windows problem.
 
Brian - boot.ini is usually a hidden/system/readonly file on the primary
master's first partition. Small simple text file. Enable Explorer to
show all files to see it. Remove those attributes to edit with edit,
notepad, any text editor.

No pairs worked regardless of slots? No triplets, same story?

I'd talk to the mainboard maker's tech support desk; there may be some
simple setting adjustment needed, or maybe a board problem, if the
manual says those RAM configs are OK. Board jumper, something like that.

Manuals aren't always clear and unamiguous. Too often they're written by
the people who give you elevator instructions that can kill you in a
foreign land. Or written for a number of related boards, with
significant differences not adequately discussed. Tech support may have
seen this problem umpteen times before, they're the cleanup crew. :-)

Hope this helps...

Now that I think of it, I suppose there's a chance that the board
controller drivers you're using are not designed for W2k. Check that
too, at the website and/or with tech support. Especially if you upgraded
your system from an older OS to W2k (by any method) without upgrading
the mainboard driver set as well. The chipset in charge of RAM transfers
across the bus may need a W2k driver. (A shot in the dark.)
Dan: Thanks for the help.

Actually, it worked with each stick individually but not
in pairs or triplets.

I can't find my boot.ini file so maybe that is part of the
problem. First I'll try to replace it and see how that
goes and if that doesn't work then I'll try clocking it
down a bit.

BTW, I looked in my mother board's manual before I decided
to do the upgrade. So, the RAM will work; it just seems
to be a windows problem.


-----Original Message-----
Brian - too bad no clues from that effort; I guess you're

saying all RAM
sticks individually and in combinations are seen by W2k

singly and in
pairs but not in triplets, regardless of where placed.

I'm at a loss; can only suggest trying the RAM sticks in
another

machine, or perhaps slowing down the system clocking on

that machine
since it really may be some sort of timing problem. Could

be a
complicated artifact of mainboard design. But that's
headscratching

speculation. If for example W2k probes RAM to make sure

its accesses are
all within a very small window of response time, and

declares a stick
unreliable because its response falls outside that

window, and somehow
on the board one of 3 or 4 sticks will always fall

outside that window...
You're CERTAIN, from the board manual, that 3x128MB

sticks is an OK
configuration? (If you don't have the manual, check the

board mfr's
website.)

As far as the difference in reported RAM sizes goes, that

is the result
of different methods of counting. Merely an ambiguity.

Some people
consider 1K to be 1000 bytes, others 1024 bytes. Scale

that up to MB and
GB and it's quite a difference. People write software

that way too. And
marketeers love it; what's on the HDD box blurb usually

is usually based
on the 1000 number, which is [technically] not correct

but is a bigger #.
16

for

Manager

if

to

difference

or


.
 
Dan- I'll try searching again for the boot.ini file and
hope that helps.

I will definitely remember that about the elevators the
next I'm in one out of the country. Thx

That about the board drivers may be it becuase I did
upgrade this computer from NT4 to w2k about a year ago and
don't think a change any board drivers. Good point.

I'll try by ASUS.

Once again thanks for the help.
-----Original Message-----
Brian - boot.ini is usually a hidden/system/readonly file on the primary
master's first partition. Small simple text file. Enable Explorer to
show all files to see it. Remove those attributes to edit with edit,
notepad, any text editor.

No pairs worked regardless of slots? No triplets, same story?

I'd talk to the mainboard maker's tech support desk; there may be some
simple setting adjustment needed, or maybe a board problem, if the
manual says those RAM configs are OK. Board jumper, something like that.

Manuals aren't always clear and unamiguous. Too often they're written by
the people who give you elevator instructions that can kill you in a
foreign land. Or written for a number of related boards, with
significant differences not adequately discussed. Tech support may have
seen this problem umpteen times before, they're the cleanup crew. :-)

Hope this helps...

Now that I think of it, I suppose there's a chance that the board
controller drivers you're using are not designed for W2k. Check that
too, at the website and/or with tech support. Especially if you upgraded
your system from an older OS to W2k (by any method) without upgrading
the mainboard driver set as well. The chipset in charge of RAM transfers
across the bus may need a W2k driver. (A shot in the dark.)
Dan: Thanks for the help.

Actually, it worked with each stick individually but not
in pairs or triplets.

I can't find my boot.ini file so maybe that is part of the
problem. First I'll try to replace it and see how that
goes and if that doesn't work then I'll try clocking it
down a bit.

BTW, I looked in my mother board's manual before I decided
to do the upgrade. So, the RAM will work; it just seems
to be a windows problem.


-----Original Message-----
Brian - too bad no clues from that effort; I guess
you're

saying all RAM
sticks individually and in combinations are seen by W2k

singly and in
pairs but not in triplets, regardless of where placed.

I'm at a loss; can only suggest trying the RAM sticks
in

another
machine, or perhaps slowing down the system clocking on

that machine
since it really may be some sort of timing problem.
Could

be a
complicated artifact of mainboard design. But that's
headscratching

speculation. If for example W2k probes RAM to make sure

its accesses are
all within a very small window of response time, and

declares a stick
unreliable because its response falls outside that

window, and somehow
on the board one of 3 or 4 sticks will always fall

outside that window...
You're CERTAIN, from the board manual, that 3x128MB

sticks is an OK
configuration? (If you don't have the manual, check the

board mfr's
website.)

As far as the difference in reported RAM sizes goes,
that

is the result
of different methods of counting. Merely an ambiguity.

Some people
consider 1K to be 1000 bytes, others 1024 bytes. Scale

that up to MB and
GB and it's quite a difference. People write software

that way too. And
marketeers love it; what's on the HDD box blurb usually

is usually based
on the 1000 number, which is [technically] not correct

but is a bigger #.
(e-mail address removed) wrote:

Well thanks for the help anyway. I tried all 3
individually in different slots and then in pairs
(about

16
different combinations). No Luck.

What is really funny is that the BIOS will show 128+
for

each stick but the W2K System Properties or Task
Manager

shows still the same amount everytime 126512 no matter
if

the chip has more or not. I thought maybe this number
should show at least some variance.

Thanks anyway.

Brian


-----Original Message-----
Brian - even apparently identical RAM sticks from the

same manufacturer


can vary slightly (but enough) in characteristics like

timing to disturb


W2k, which is much more demanding of perfection than

BIOS. Particularly


if they are from different fabrication runs.

Try all 3 sticks one at a time. Then try them in pairs.

Do this in


different RAM slots as well. If W2k is satisfied by the

above, then try


all 3 at once, in different slot combinations. You may

discover that one


or two are a bit faster or slower than the other(s).

RAM response is a matter of nanoseconds. Bits travel

about an inch per


nanosecond. The RAM slots vary in distance from stick
to

processor,


hence which slot for which stick might make a
difference

that affects


W2k's decision that a stick(s) is good or bad.

Brian wrote:



I recently upgraded my RAM from 128MB to 384MB but

Windows


is still showing only 128MB. On the boot-up screen,

also


at RAM count up all 384MB are shown.

I let DocMemory run overnight and no problems.

Windows doesn't show all RAM under System Properties
or

Task Manager.

BTW, all RAM are from the same manufacturer and all

three


are identical.

How can I get W2k to show all the RAM present?

Thanks for the help if anyone knows anything.

Brian



.


.

.
 
It's a very safe bet that NT4 drivers won't work with W2k (NT5).

Dan- I'll try searching again for the boot.ini file and
hope that helps.

I will definitely remember that about the elevators the
next I'm in one out of the country. Thx

That about the board drivers may be it becuase I did
upgrade this computer from NT4 to w2k about a year ago and
don't think a change any board drivers. Good point.

I'll try by ASUS.

Once again thanks for the help.
-----Original Message-----
Brian - boot.ini is usually a hidden/system/readonly file

on the primary
master's first partition. Small simple text file. Enable

Explorer to
show all files to see it. Remove those attributes to edit

with edit,
notepad, any text editor.

No pairs worked regardless of slots? No triplets, same
story?

I'd talk to the mainboard maker's tech support desk;

there may be some
simple setting adjustment needed, or maybe a board

problem, if the
manual says those RAM configs are OK. Board jumper,

something like that.
Manuals aren't always clear and unamiguous. Too often

they're written by
the people who give you elevator instructions that can

kill you in a
foreign land. Or written for a number of related boards,
with

significant differences not adequately discussed. Tech

support may have
seen this problem umpteen times before, they're the

cleanup crew. :-)
Hope this helps...

Now that I think of it, I suppose there's a chance that

the board
controller drivers you're using are not designed for W2k.

Check that
too, at the website and/or with tech support. Especially

if you upgraded
your system from an older OS to W2k (by any method)

without upgrading
the mainboard driver set as well. The chipset in charge

of RAM transfers
across the bus may need a W2k driver. (A shot in the
dark.)

Brian wrote:

Dan: Thanks for the help.

Actually, it worked with each stick individually but
not
in pairs or triplets.

I can't find my boot.ini file so maybe that is part of
the
problem. First I'll try to replace it and see how that
goes and if that doesn't work then I'll try clocking it
down a bit.

BTW, I looked in my mother board's manual before I
decided
to do the upgrade. So, the RAM will work; it just
seems
to be a windows problem.




-----Original Message-----
Brian - too bad no clues from that effort; I guess
you're
saying all RAM


sticks individually and in combinations are seen by W2k

singly and in


pairs but not in triplets, regardless of where placed.

I'm at a loss; can only suggest trying the RAM sticks
in
another


machine, or perhaps slowing down the system clocking on

that machine


since it really may be some sort of timing problem.
Could
be a


complicated artifact of mainboard design. But that's

headscratching


speculation. If for example W2k probes RAM to make sure

its accesses are


all within a very small window of response time, and

declares a stick


unreliable because its response falls outside that

window, and somehow


on the board one of 3 or 4 sticks will always fall

outside that window...


You're CERTAIN, from the board manual, that 3x128MB

sticks is an OK


configuration? (If you don't have the manual, check the

board mfr's


website.)

As far as the difference in reported RAM sizes goes,
that
is the result


of different methods of counting. Merely an ambiguity.

Some people


consider 1K to be 1000 bytes, others 1024 bytes. Scale

that up to MB and


GB and it's quite a difference. People write software

that way too. And


marketeers love it; what's on the HDD box blurb usually

is usually based


on the 1000 number, which is [technically] not correct

but is a bigger #.


(e-mail address removed) wrote:


Well thanks for the help anyway. I tried all 3
individually in different slots and then in pairs
(about
16


different combinations). No Luck.

What is really funny is that the BIOS will show 128+

for


each stick but the W2K System Properties or Task

Manager


shows still the same amount everytime 126512 no matter

if


the chip has more or not. I thought maybe this number
should show at least some variance.

Thanks anyway.

Brian



-----Original Message-----
Brian - even apparently identical RAM sticks from the

same manufacturer



can vary slightly (but enough) in characteristics
like
timing to disturb



W2k, which is much more demanding of perfection than

BIOS. Particularly



if they are from different fabrication runs.

Try all 3 sticks one at a time. Then try them in
pairs.
Do this in



different RAM slots as well. If W2k is satisfied by
the
above, then try



all 3 at once, in different slot combinations. You
may
discover that one



or two are a bit faster or slower than the other(s).

RAM response is a matter of nanoseconds. Bits travel

about an inch per



nanosecond. The RAM slots vary in distance from stick

to


processor,



hence which slot for which stick might make a

difference


that affects



W2k's decision that a stick(s) is good or bad.

Brian wrote:




I recently upgraded my RAM from 128MB to 384MB but

Windows



is still showing only 128MB. On the boot-up screen,

also



at RAM count up all 384MB are shown.

I let DocMemory run overnight and no problems.

Windows doesn't show all RAM under System Properties

or


Task Manager.

BTW, all RAM are from the same manufacturer and all

three



are identical.

How can I get W2k to show all the RAM present?

Thanks for the help if anyone knows anything.

Brian



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