AIW8500DV drivers?

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I just reformatted my HD using XP Pro-SP2. Right after I finished, XP
installed drivers for the AIW8500DV. Are these drivers from XP any good?
Should I reinstall using drivers from the ATI website?
 
Moreen said:
I just reformatted my HD using XP Pro-SP2. Right after I finished, XP
installed drivers for the AIW8500DV. Are these drivers from XP any good?
Should I reinstall using drivers from the ATI website?
Although the default XP supplied drivers are adequate for ordinary Windows
use, if you want to take advantage of the TV Tuner on the 8500DV, you should
install ATIs Catalyst drivers before ATIs Multimedia Centre (but after your
motherboards chipset drivers). I also have an 8500DV with the same OS as you
and although the notes on the MMC Download page mention 9.02 is the newest
supported version, I've found that 9.06 seems to work OK with my card (I'm
using Catalyst 5.3 drivers).

Paul
 
Paul, I'm still using the MMC 7.5 drivers with my 8500DV but am
thinking of upgrading to a later version. Have you noticed any great
improvements or problems with more up to date versions?
Thanks
 
Paul, I'm still using the MMC 7.5 drivers with my 8500DV but am
thinking of upgrading to a later version. Have you noticed any great
improvements or problems with more up to date versions?
Thanks
When the 8500DV was first released MMC was at version 7.5 or thereabouts so
your current setup really is very old! That said, if it still works properly
and does what you need it to, I understand why you're asking whether its
worth upgrading. Firstly, unless you get a MMC 8.1 CD or newer, you wont be
able to install all of the latest versions fully. The reason is because the
DVD Decoder currently being used these days requires such a CD to verify
eligibility to use/install the downloadable software. This is because around
the time of MMC 8.1 ATI started using Cyberlink to produce their DVD Decoder
and one of the licensing requirements for them to be able to distribute DVD
Decoder updates it is that users must have either had the ATI version of the
Cyberlink DVD Decoder originally or had purchased an upgrade CD with it
included. The MMC 8.1 CDs are available to purchase for about £5 if you
don't already have one. I was lucky enough to get mine from ATI in Ireland
for free but they've long since stopped providing support from Ireland.

I think that the simplest way to find the differences between MMC 7.5 and
the latest 9.06.1 (which despite ATIs recommendation's, will work with the
8500DV) Is to download the MMC manuals from their website. Some of the
obvious differences that spring to mind are newer versions have added
functionality such as Eazyshare, Eazylook, MulTView capability, an
integrated Teletext browser and additional capturing format capabilities.
Personally I remembered finding a few bugs in older versions of MMC with my
old AIW Radeon 32 MB card back around the time of MMC 7.7 so you may
(hopefully) find newer versions more reliable. The biggest cause of problems
that users experience with newer versions of MMC seems to be related to not
following (lengthy and modular) installation procedures correctly. I've used
MMC versions from 7.2 through to 9.06.1 and although I've found bugs along
the way, they've never stopped my AIW cards from functioning fully or being
usable. If Windows XP SP2 is your operating system and you don't mind
installing all the prerequisites in the correct order and according to the
instructions on ATIs website, you may benefit from the latest MMC. As
suggested though I recommend you start by reading the MMC 7.5 and MMC 9
manuals to decide if you want to bother.

Paul
 
Thanks Paul for your reply. I use powerdvd as my dvd software, rather
than the ATI one, so hopefully the 8.1 cd issue shouldn't be a
problem. Maybe I'll download a copy of 9.06.1 and give it a try. I
guess I can always go back to my 7.5 version if I have problems.
 
For the 8500DV, I suggest that you use 9.02 instead of 9.06. ATI says
that 9.02 is the last supported version for the 8500DV. But, that point
aside, look through this newsgroup. 9.06 was a disaster, there are
dozens if not hundreds of messages about people having problems with it.


Ian said:
Thanks Paul for your reply. I use powerdvd as my dvd software, rather
than the ATI one, so hopefully the 8.1 cd issue shouldn't be a
problem. Maybe I'll download a copy of 9.06.1 and give it a try. I
guess I can always go back to my 7.5 version if I have problems.



When the 8500DV was first released MMC was at version 7.5 or thereabouts so
your current setup really is very old! That said, if it still works properly
and does what you need it to, I understand why you're asking whether its
worth upgrading. Firstly, unless you get a MMC 8.1 CD or newer, you wont be
able to install all of the latest versions fully. The reason is because the
DVD Decoder currently being used these days requires such a CD to verify
eligibility to use/install the downloadable software. This is because around
the time of MMC 8.1 ATI started using Cyberlink to produce their DVD Decoder
and one of the licensing requirements for them to be able to distribute DVD
Decoder updates it is that users must have either had the ATI version of the
Cyberlink DVD Decoder originally or had purchased an upgrade CD with it
included. The MMC 8.1 CDs are available to purchase for about £5 if you
don't already have one. I was lucky enough to get mine from ATI in Ireland
for free but they've long since stopped providing support from Ireland.

I think that the simplest way to find the differences between MMC 7.5 and
the latest 9.06.1 (which despite ATIs recommendation's, will work with the
8500DV) Is to download the MMC manuals from their website. Some of the
obvious differences that spring to mind are newer versions have added
functionality such as Eazyshare, Eazylook, MulTView capability, an
integrated Teletext browser and additional capturing format capabilities.
Personally I remembered finding a few bugs in older versions of MMC with my
old AIW Radeon 32 MB card back around the time of MMC 7.7 so you may
(hopefully) find newer versions more reliable. The biggest cause of problems
that users experience with newer versions of MMC seems to be related to not
following (lengthy and modular) installation procedures correctly. I've used
MMC versions from 7.2 through to 9.06.1 and although I've found bugs along
the way, they've never stopped my AIW cards from functioning fully or being
usable. If Windows XP SP2 is your operating system and you don't mind
installing all the prerequisites in the correct order and according to the
instructions on ATIs website, you may benefit from the latest MMC. As
suggested though I recommend you start by reading the MMC 7.5 and MMC 9
manuals to decide if you want to bother.

Paul
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Barry Watzman said:
For the 8500DV, I suggest that you use 9.02 instead of 9.06. ATI says
that 9.02 is the last supported version for the 8500DV. But, that point
aside, look through this newsgroup. 9.06 was a disaster, there are dozens
if not hundreds of messages about people having problems with it.

And those 9.06 related problems are all with newer All In Wonders which
incorporate the Theatre 200 chip (not the old Rage Theatre that's on the
8500DV). The other very significant difference is that newer AIWs with the
latest drivers and MMC also transfer audio over the PCI bus where as the
8500DV must still use the old fashioned cable method (and some of the
problems related to audio issues). I'm using MMC 9.06.1 (note the 1 on the
end which seems to have made a difference for many of those experiencing
problems with 9.06) with my 8500DV and Cat 5.4 and the only thing I've found
wrong is that when recording TV if the screen is maximised the TV Control
app wont show the channel details anymore - hardly a biggie given that users
already would have known what channel it was on when recording was started -
this issue is also present with my other AIWs though so I'm pretty sure its
hardware independent. Additionally I've found that the maximum DVD Player
volume isn't enough for my liking but that's an ATI DVD Decoder issue and is
present under previous versions of MMC and even under Windows Media Player.

I do realise that 9.02 is the last ATI recommended version - it does however
have its bugs as well with the 8500DV and I don't think that its best
default record setting is DVD quality but rather VCR format.

Ian will need to be aware of the correct installation order and to first
ensure that the old MMC and then drivers are removed using add/remove
programs (as well as any other ATI related software in there - it's so long
ago I cant remember what else was installed with MMC 7.x). The reason for
this is because MMC doesn't like being upgraded upon itself. Upon rebooting
the Catalyst 5.4 drivers can be installed (I suggest the all-in-one DSL
package rather than mucking around with separate control panel and WDMs
etc). The PC must then be rebooted and installation of the MMC prerequisites
and ultimately MMC 9.(whatever version is settled on) can be completed. The
one point that may be an issue is the DVD Decoder. Even though ATI's
"Cyberlink developed" DVD Player isn't being used (Cyberlink's own Power DVD
instead), I'm unsure whether the ATI decoder is needed for TV Playback
that's recorded in DVD format. I'm also unsure whether MMC is clever enough
to "borrow" the Power DVD Decoder if its installed instead. MMC 9.02 may be
a better/safer bet for this reason without that ATI DVD Decoder installed.

I suggest Ian reads through and prints out the installation procedures to be
completely familiar with them before commencing anything. They have to be
followed in the correct order and to the letter with nothing else running in
the background at the time. This means that all programs which start with
windows (such as antivirus and utility applications) must be closed and/or
disabled for the full time it takes to complete the installation. This can
be checked using the Windows Task Manager/Applications Tab.

Paul
 
Thanks everyone for your helpful comments.
Has anyone else been able to sucessfully install a version of the
multimedia centre (post 8.1) without installing the dvd part, or am I
going to have to fork out for a 8.1cd or just use v7.7.01?
 
Paul Murphy said:
And those 9.06 related problems are all with newer All In Wonders which
incorporate the Theatre 200 chip (not the old Rage Theatre that's on the
8500DV). The other very significant difference is that newer AIWs with the
latest drivers and MMC also transfer audio over the PCI bus where as the
8500DV must still use the old fashioned cable method (and some of the
problems related to audio issues). I'm using MMC 9.06.1 (note the 1 on the
end which seems to have made a difference for many of those experiencing
problems with 9.06) with my 8500DV and Cat 5.4 and the only thing I've
found wrong is that when recording TV if the screen is maximised the TV
Control app wont show the channel details anymore - hardly a biggie given
that users already would have known what channel it was on when recording
was started -
<snip>

I've just found an additional bug with 9.06.1 and my AIWs (pre Radeon 9xxx
series) - it doesn't appear to allow other than mono sound. Although the
sound quality seems fine, I think I'll go back to 9.02 in order to get
stereo. Sorry if I've steered anyone in the wrong direction prior to this
update!

Paul
 
Well after reading your comments I thought I'd have a go at doing some
updating.
I recently installed the latest catalyst drivers, so they were ok.
Uninstalled MMC 7.5 and tried 9.061. Chose not to install the dvd
player (have power dvd separately and don't have the 8.1 cd) and it
loaded up fine. However, when trying to use the TV function, I get an
error on starting the TV.
So uninstalled and reinstalled 9.02 - which works fine.
Then I thought I'd try and update my remotewonder software from v1.2.
Downloaded v3 which installed ok, but then the TV wouldn't startup
again!
Uninstalled and reinstalled remotewonder 2.3 which is ok and the TV
works as well!
Like the new features such as eazylook and the teletext works much
better than the old version. Still get a little "pop" when changing
channels, but its not so bad.
Overall an improvement, but if only doing an install could be easier!
 
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