Aida32 run from CD, ATA3 HD

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Scotoma

Hi all

I've inherited a Pentium 2, intel chipset mobo based computer to mess about
with. The hammers, spanners and screwdrivers are flying :-))

I need info on how to make the proggy Aida32 run from CDRom as I have
wrecked the 5GB HD and would like to find out the make of the Mobo.

The HD was on its way out ( clicking like mad ) but turning off the power
while win98 was accessing the ATA3 ( lol ) HD wasn't a good idea. S.M.A.R.T
reports backup and replace. It will not format/chkdisk etc. It's done in.
:-(
Getting my hands on a good old ATA3 HD might be tricky. Can I put in any ATA
HD? Are HD's backward compatable?

Any help would be great. :-))

Scotoma
 
Hi all

I've inherited a Pentium 2, intel chipset mobo based computer to mess about
with. The hammers, spanners and screwdrivers are flying :-))

I need info on how to make the proggy Aida32 run from CDRom as I have
wrecked the 5GB HD and would like to find out the make of the Mobo.
Click to expand...

You don't really need to use AIDA32, and if the system has an old CDROM
or bios that won't boot from CD then it may be a wasted effort anyway.
You merely need to open the system, blow the dust off, and read the
label... no point making this hard, you ought to be checking the misc.
wires and fitness of fans and such anyway on a system this age.

Sometimes these older boards had more info on a sticker attached to the
side of the bottom ISA slot... a real PITA. A small flat mirror might be
used to read the label if this is the case.

Also, if you write down the BIOS ID string shown at POST, that should
provide enough info, at a minimum, to ID the manufacturer, probably the
whole board except for the revision number. Some Intel OEM boards had a
small white sticker with a coded number something like "AAnnnnnnnnnn" (Not
really like that, I forget the exact format but you'd know when you saw
it).
The HD was on its way out ( clicking like mad ) but turning off the power
while win98 was accessing the ATA3 ( lol ) HD wasn't a good idea.
Click to expand...

It's easy to think of an old, slow system as worthless, but important to
remember to take same care in it's use as a new expensive system... if
it's not worth that much care it's not worth fooling with at all.

S.M.A.R.T
reports backup and replace. It will not format/chkdisk etc. It's done in.
:-(
Click to expand...

Forget SMART, Format, Chkdisk, etc, and run the HDD manufacturer's
diagnostics. Maybe it's dead but the diagnostics are the first step in
establishing that, providing it's still spinning and not rapidly clicking
constantly.
Getting my hands on a good old ATA3 HD might be tricky. Can I put in any ATA
HD? Are HD's backward compatable?
Click to expand...

Yes, they're backwards compatible. If the motherboard chipset only
supports a maximum of ATA33, you'll simply be limited to ATA33 speed.
However the capacity support is another issue, the board may need a bios
update to support larger drives.
 
Hi Kony

Thanks for your reply. :-))
You don't really need to use AIDA32, and if the system has an old CDROM
or bios that won't boot from CD then it may be a wasted effort anyway.
You merely need to open the system, blow the dust off, and read the
label... no point making this hard, you ought to be checking the misc.
wires and fitness of fans and such anyway on a system this age.
Click to expand...

It does boot from CD. I tried to clean install windows 98 but I've wrecked
the HD.
Also, if you write down the BIOS ID string shown at POST, that should
provide enough info, at a minimum, to ID the manufacturer, probably the
whole board except for the revision number. Some Intel OEM boards had a
small white sticker with a coded number something like "AAnnnnnnnnnn" (Not
really like that, I forget the exact format but you'd know when you saw
it).
Click to expand...

Good info. :-)) It went past a bit quick though. lol.
I've stuck the half baked ATX PSU back and had a look. The PSU is only
supplying power out to the Mobo and through one of two the spurs. The spur
with the floppy power connector is dead, which is annoying!
This is the ID string.
61-0400-000715-0010111-071595-M715-1440L0000-H
I'm looking it up now.
Thanks.
Forget SMART, Format, Chkdisk, etc, and run the HDD manufacturer's
diagnostics. Maybe it's dead but the diagnostics are the first step in
establishing that, providing it's still spinning and not rapidly clicking
constantly.
Click to expand...

It's indeed knackered.
Yes, they're backwards compatible. If the motherboard chipset only
supports a maximum of ATA33, you'll simply be limited to ATA33 speed.
However the capacity support is another issue, the board may need a bios
update to support larger drives.
Click to expand...

Thats great news. Cheers. :-))
The amibios is dated 4/8/1998

Thanks for all your info kony. :-)

Scotoma
 
You don't really need to use AIDA32, and if the system has an old CDROM
or bios that won't boot from CD then it may be a wasted effort anyway.
You merely need to open the system, blow the dust off, and read the
label... no point making this hard, you ought to be checking the misc.
wires and fitness of fans and such anyway on a system this age.

Sometimes these older boards had more info on a sticker attached to the
side of the bottom ISA slot... a real PITA. A small flat mirror might be
used to read the label if this is the case.

Also, if you write down the BIOS ID string shown at POST, that should
provide enough info, at a minimum, to ID the manufacturer, probably the
whole board except for the revision number. Some Intel OEM boards had a
small white sticker with a coded number something like "AAnnnnnnnnnn" (Not
really like that, I forget the exact format but you'd know when you saw
it).


It's easy to think of an old, slow system as worthless, but important to
remember to take same care in it's use as a new expensive system... if
it's not worth that much care it's not worth fooling with at all.



Forget SMART, Format, Chkdisk, etc, and run the HDD manufacturer's
diagnostics. Maybe it's dead but the diagnostics are the first step in
establishing that, providing it's still spinning and not rapidly clicking
constantly.


Yes, they're backwards compatible. If the motherboard chipset only
supports a maximum of ATA33, you'll simply be limited to ATA33 speed.
However the capacity support is another issue, the board may need a bios
update to support larger drives.
Click to expand...

You need Windows for AIDA 32 to run. Otherwise Aida 16 will work
without it.
 
Gary Tait said:
You need Windows for AIDA 32 to run. Otherwise Aida 16 will work
without it.
Click to expand...

Hi Gary Tait
Of course, 16 not 32 D'oh!
Cheers. I might give that a try.
Thanks again.

Scotoma
 
kony said:
Sometimes these older boards had more info on a sticker attached to the
side of the bottom ISA slot... a real PITA. A small flat mirror might be
used to read the label if this is the case.
Click to expand...

I've taken the mobo out and I can see the label

Thanks again. :-))

Scotoma
 
Ralph Wade Phillips said:
Howdy!



I'd bet on it being a PCCHips M715 motherboard.

The PCChips Lottery is your best bet if it is ...

One link is to http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen.de/q3998142/pcchips/

RwP
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Spot on Ralph Wade Phillips. :-)) Thank you mate. :-))
It is the same make of board and I have must have an older model as I do not
have a P2S mouse port soldered in.
http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen.de/q3998142/pcchips/pccpics/m715.gif
Everything else is exactly the same. 3 simms, 2 dimms, intel chipset,
sound-pro etc.

Ultra DMA /33 according to the manual.
http://www.zanmatti.com/pcchips/index.htm As I've done in the HD that's
exactly the info I've been looking for. :-))

Brilliant Ralph. Thanks again.

Scotoma
 
Scotoma said:
Hi Gary Tait
Of course, 16 not 32 D'oh!
Cheers. I might give that a try.
Thanks again.
Click to expand...

Just boot with a Windows start-up disk and then, at the A:\> prompt, swap
for the aida disk. Then type Ummmm, 'dir' and find the name of the aida exe,
then type that.
 
~misfit~ said:
Just boot with a Windows start-up disk and then, at the A:\> prompt, swap
for the aida disk. Then type Ummmm, 'dir' and find the name of the aida exe,
then type that.
Click to expand...

Thanks ~misfit~
I'll do that to find out the make and model of the cards. :-)

Scotoma
 
I've taken the mobo out and I can see the label

Thanks again. :-))

Scotoma
Click to expand...

For future reference this burnable ISO,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/bootd.zip
Contains a Win98SE boot disk with Cdrom support and diagnostic
software.You can use it to gain information about a system that has no
O/S installed.
Readme included.
HTH :)



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Scotoma said:
Hi all

I've inherited a Pentium 2, intel chipset mobo based computer to mess about
with. The hammers, spanners and screwdrivers are flying :-))

I need info on how to make the proggy Aida32 run from CDRom as I have
wrecked the 5GB HD and would like to find out the make of the Mobo.

The HD was on its way out ( clicking like mad ) but turning off the power
while win98 was accessing the ATA3 ( lol ) HD wasn't a good idea. S.M.A.R.T
reports backup and replace. It will not format/chkdisk etc. It's done in.
:-(
Getting my hands on a good old ATA3 HD might be tricky. Can I put in any ATA
HD? Are HD's backward compatable?

Any help would be great. :-))

Scotoma
Click to expand...
That PcChips M715 board really runs GREAT with the LiveCD that is free,
called Knoppix!

You go to the web site, http://knopper.net/knoppix and download the
Knoppix V3.3, 2-16-2004 single ISO, and then burn it to a CD.

OR, you can also get it free over Limewire! (My Limewire servers are
running dual 10,000 rpm Cheetah SCSI drives, on a 384Mb broadband
uplink). Search words are: linux LinuxISO knoppix

Knoppix boots from the CDrom and runs in RAM, no hard drive is needed!
If your bios does NOT support booting from a CDROM, you can get a floppy
in the dosutil sub-directory, and boot from the floppy to the CDrom loader.

You can also install Knoppix to any hard drive that is 2.5 Gb or larger!
That is how to get super fast speeds out of the system!

Knoppix finds all the hardware, and resources, of the system, and so,
you usually do not need any driver files!

You might need a driver file for the newest Nvidia video card, and it is
on the Nvidia website! But, it is not likely any older computers would
need any configuration data in Knoppix, that isn't already there!

The systems that I have brought up with Knoppix include a Packard Bell
Legend SX300 (386 system!), several Soltek, Tri-gem (used in eMachines,
and, some dual PPro servers), MSI, and Asus 486 -25Mhz, 33Mhz, 50Mhz,
and 66Mhz systems, up to some multi-processor Compaq, Dell, HP, and
generic, Pentium, PPro, Cyrix, and AMD systems of 90Mhz up to the
GigaPro 733Mhz with the built-in cpu.

Many of my restored systems cost me nothing, and were on the curb, or,
less than $15.00, at salvage auctions, ebay, and, junk sales.

I have found that the Knoppix LiveCD runs those machines at about 6X
faster than any of the Microsoft win95, win98, winME could, plus, I
didn't have to go searching all over the Internet, ( Driversguide.com,
DriverHq.com, etc.) for drivers!

I have been collecting CDroms of the mainboards most often dumped at
salvage sales, so that I have several of the PcChips, ASUS, and,
Chaintech CDroms of drivers.

Those manufacturers are wont to put out boards with VIA, Intel, Sis,
Realtek NIC, and other chipsets, which can be all the more confusing! I
can recommend that you do the Knoppix which takes about 2 minutes to
load, and run, without your input or any hard work, as the proper option
to get a mainboard working immediately!

One more scrap of GOOD NEWS! You can go to the PcChips web sites, and
other main board sites, like ASUStek, Chaintech, Compaq (Puts their BIOS
on the hidden hard drive partition), and get the newer BIOS for your
board, so as to update it a bit!

Many mainboards built since 1997 have been updated, in the 2000-2001
timeframe, to handle larger drives! I do refer, also, to WimBios
website, also, in my search of data about the mainboards I seem to
collect... I find that the ASUS AFLASH doesn't work, for me, so I use a
UniFlash program, found free on the web.

http://google.com is your friend in those searches, so use it!
 
Shep© said:
For future reference this burnable ISO,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/bootd.zip
Contains a Win98SE boot disk with Cdrom support and diagnostic
software.You can use it to gain information about a system that has no
O/S installed.
Readme included.
HTH :)
Click to expand...

Hi Shep©

Thanks mate. :-)) kony replied that I might be able to fix the HD with
manufacturer diagnostic software. I was ready to just get a new HD but if I
can partition it or something with your diagnostic proggys then I'll do that
for now. Fdisk, format and chkdisk have failed to complete because of a
damaged HD sector. They were ran from my win98se set up cd.
Cheers for the ISO. :-))

Scotoma
 
Patrick said:
That PcChips M715 board really runs GREAT with the LiveCD that is free,
called Knoppix!

You go to the web site, http://knopper.net/knoppix and download the
Knoppix V3.3, 2-16-2004 single ISO, and then burn it to a CD.

OR, you can also get it free over Limewire! (My Limewire servers are
running dual 10,000 rpm Cheetah SCSI drives, on a 384Mb broadband
uplink). Search words are: linux LinuxISO knoppix

Knoppix boots from the CDrom and runs in RAM, no hard drive is needed!
If your bios does NOT support booting from a CDROM, you can get a floppy
in the dosutil sub-directory, and boot from the floppy to the CDrom loader.

You can also install Knoppix to any hard drive that is 2.5 Gb or larger!
That is how to get super fast speeds out of the system!

Knoppix finds all the hardware, and resources, of the system, and so,
you usually do not need any driver files!

You might need a driver file for the newest Nvidia video card, and it is
on the Nvidia website! But, it is not likely any older computers would
need any configuration data in Knoppix, that isn't already there!

The systems that I have brought up with Knoppix include a Packard Bell
Legend SX300 (386 system!), several Soltek, Tri-gem (used in eMachines,
and, some dual PPro servers), MSI, and Asus 486 -25Mhz, 33Mhz, 50Mhz,
and 66Mhz systems, up to some multi-processor Compaq, Dell, HP, and
generic, Pentium, PPro, Cyrix, and AMD systems of 90Mhz up to the
GigaPro 733Mhz with the built-in cpu.

Many of my restored systems cost me nothing, and were on the curb, or,
less than $15.00, at salvage auctions, ebay, and, junk sales.

I have found that the Knoppix LiveCD runs those machines at about 6X
faster than any of the Microsoft win95, win98, winME could, plus, I
didn't have to go searching all over the Internet, ( Driversguide.com,
DriverHq.com, etc.) for drivers!

I have been collecting CDroms of the mainboards most often dumped at
salvage sales, so that I have several of the PcChips, ASUS, and,
Chaintech CDroms of drivers.

Those manufacturers are wont to put out boards with VIA, Intel, Sis,
Realtek NIC, and other chipsets, which can be all the more confusing! I
can recommend that you do the Knoppix which takes about 2 minutes to
load, and run, without your input or any hard work, as the proper option
to get a mainboard working immediately!

One more scrap of GOOD NEWS! You can go to the PcChips web sites, and
other main board sites, like ASUStek, Chaintech, Compaq (Puts their BIOS
on the hidden hard drive partition), and get the newer BIOS for your
board, so as to update it a bit!

Many mainboards built since 1997 have been updated, in the 2000-2001
timeframe, to handle larger drives! I do refer, also, to WimBios
website, also, in my search of data about the mainboards I seem to
collect... I find that the ASUS AFLASH doesn't work, for me, so I use a
UniFlash program, found free on the web.

http://google.com is your friend in those searches, so use it!
Click to expand...

Hi Patrick

Thanks for the info mate. :-))

I tried running a version of Linux called Morphix Heavy from CDROM ( I think
that is the name of the GUI/skin?). It did not finish booting. I think this
is because there is only 79MB of simm ram in the box or it needed the HD
(which is knackered) for a swap file. As you know the PcChips M715 mobo has
2 dimm slots so I can upgrade to 256MB.
I don't know that much about other OS as yet but I will definately try out
Knoppix. I've seen Morphix running from CD on my mates PC. It was flying
like you say and it was on a slow CDrom drive!!
I'm thinking about using Pentium 2 box as a hardware firewall, but if I can
get a decent HD then I'll try setting up a server type box.
Good info about updating the bios! I wouldn't have even bothered as I
thought the board was too old. Thanks :-).

Can one attach a P2S mouse port to the PcChips M715 board if there isn't one
there in the first place? There is the place marked out for it but it has
not been attached. Maybe a stupid question as it might be missing other
components ie resistors/chips as well.

Thanks again Patrick.

Scotoma
 
Shep© said:
For future reference this burnable ISO,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/bootd.zip
Contains a Win98SE boot disk with Cdrom support and diagnostic
software.You can use it to gain information about a system that has no
O/S installed.
Readme included.
HTH :)
Click to expand...

Boot disk didn't work! My windows 98se disc works. I followed the read me
file and burned with Nero but it didn't boot. I've had problems before with
Arnes boot record.img file. Nevermind.
Nice site though Shep©. :-) I'll dig about in it.
 
Boot disk didn't work! My windows 98se disc works. I followed the read me
file and burned with Nero but it didn't boot. I've had problems before with
Arnes boot record.img file. Nevermind.
Nice site though Shep©. :-) I'll dig about in it.
Click to expand...

Did you change the boot order in your BIOS to boot from Cdrom disk
1st?And the Cdrom drive you put the Cdrom disk in?




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Shep© said:
Did you change the boot order in your BIOS to boot from Cdrom disk
1st?And the Cdrom drive you put the Cdrom disk in?
Click to expand...

Aye, changed the order in the bios. I can boot from the 98se disc no bother.
I considered having maybe burned it wrong but I just opened the file with
nero as the readme file explained and burned it with nero. The size of the
file when unzipped is 1.46MB.
I had to put aida16 on a copy of my 98se CD. Boot into SETUP with the 98se
disc and then swap the cd for the copy of 98se with aida16 on it to be able
to launch aida16. This way it thinks the same cd is in the drive! The drive
would not read if aida16 is on a CD of its own. The power to the floppy is
flippered so I can't use that when BOOTING FROM CD with cdrom support (this
way displays the A:\ prompt at the command line and won't change to D:\ ,and
removing the win98se cd and replacing it with any other cd shuts off the
cdrom support. lol. :-))
It's all good fun anyway. :-)) XP to dos in 12 easy backward stumbles! lol.

Scotoma
 
Aye, changed the order in the bios. I can boot from the 98se disc no bother.
I considered having maybe burned it wrong but I just opened the file with
nero as the readme file explained and burned it with nero. The size of the
file when unzipped is 1.46MB.
I had to put aida16 on a copy of my 98se CD. Boot into SETUP with the 98se
disc and then swap the cd for the copy of 98se with aida16 on it to be able
to launch aida16. This way it thinks the same cd is in the drive! The drive
would not read if aida16 is on a CD of its own. The power to the floppy is
flippered so I can't use that when BOOTING FROM CD with cdrom support (this
way displays the A:\ prompt at the command line and won't change to D:\ ,and
removing the win98se cd and replacing it with any other cd shuts off the
cdrom support. lol. :-))
It's all good fun anyway. :-)) XP to dos in 12 easy backward stumbles! lol.

Scotoma
Click to expand...

Strange.Off the boot Cd did you try the diagnostic programs that are
on it.See readme.



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Shep© said:
Shep© said:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 19:30:45 GMT Letting slip the dogs of war


On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 22:12:45 GMT Letting slip the dogs of war


Strange.Off the boot Cd did you try the diagnostic programs that are
on it.See readme.
Click to expand...

I changed the cdrom drive. It boots fine now. Thanks Shep©.
Man, this computer is mashed. lol.

Could I get some more advice about the M715 mobo please. I bought 128MB of
SDRAM PC100 memory to upgrade the PCChips mobo. I've stuck it in, but it
only displays as 64MB in the POST. I can only think that I've damaged the
SDRAM or it's faulty, PC100 don't work with this mobo, or the mobo SDRAM
slots are flippered. I have tried it in both slots and all the simms have
been removed. I also changed the voltage from the default 3.3V to 5V (it was
at 3.3V when I first stuck the ram in but it showed 64MB) but that has made
no difference so it's back at 3.3V. Maybe the bios needs upgrading? I'll
give that a try untill I find out more.

Scotoma
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Shep© said:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 19:30:45 GMT Letting slip the dogs of war


On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 22:12:45 GMT Letting slip the dogs of war




I changed the cdrom drive. It boots fine now. Thanks Shep©.
Man, this computer is mashed. lol.

Could I get some more advice about the M715 mobo please. I bought 128MB of
SDRAM PC100 memory to upgrade the PCChips mobo. I've stuck it in, but it
only displays as 64MB in the POST. I can only think that I've damaged the
SDRAM or it's faulty, PC100 don't work with this mobo, or the mobo SDRAM
slots are flippered. I have tried it in both slots and all the simms have
been removed. I also changed the voltage from the default 3.3V to 5V (it was
at 3.3V when I first stuck the ram in but it showed 64MB) but that has made
no difference so it's back at 3.3V. Maybe the bios needs upgrading? I'll
give that a try untill I find out more.

Scotoma
Click to expand...

Use the Crucial mother board/Ram selector to make sure you have the
correct type of ram,
http://www.crucial.com/uk/index.asp?AID=5338677&PID=1228262&SID=GAw_crucial_ram

and ,
http://www.motherboard-links.com/motherboard_pcchips_pcchips.html


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