AGP card for the venerable P3B-F r1.04

  • Thread starter Thread starter RSM Sison
  • Start date Start date
R

RSM Sison

Hi,

My V7700 deluxe card recently conked out after I hibernated my pc so I'm
planning of getting a new AGP card.
What would be the best agp card that is compatible to the P3B-F r1.04? I
plan on overclocking from 100 to 133 FSB, so I'll be needing an agp card
that can run at 89 MHz and last a long time. Additionally, I prefer a
card that would NOT conk out out if hibernate. I'm running Win XP Pro SP2.

Thanks. Any input shall be appreciated.

Regards,

Roy
 
an agp 2x card...but if you want to overclock, don't waste your cash
on an agp card because you cannot change the multiplier. Look around
as there are 32 and 64 meg ati's, 7000 I think, that will run just
nicely on the pci slot...and thats the multiplier you can control...
FYI

ñíñjà¤têç

---END---PGP---SIGNATURE---
 
RSM Sison said:
Hi,

My V7700 deluxe card recently conked out after I hibernated my pc so I'm
planning of getting a new AGP card.
What would be the best agp card that is compatible to the P3B-F r1.04? I
plan on overclocking from 100 to 133 FSB, so I'll be needing an agp card
that can run at 89 MHz and last a long time. Additionally, I prefer a
card that would NOT conk out out if hibernate. I'm running Win XP Pro SP2.

Thanks. Any input shall be appreciated.

Regards,

Roy
Click to expand...

Do you plan on 3D gaming?

Do you need DirectX 8 or 9 support?

If none of the above, a basic Matrox G400 Max would do nicely
($20 used on eBay). I've run them even at 1:1 on a 100MHz FSB
for years with no problems, and their DVD/TV out quality is much
better than most cards sold today.

If you do plan on gaming, or need DX8/9 support stick with an
Nvidia based card (e.g. 5x00 series), and stay away from more
recent ATI cards such as the 9x00 series. They won't run at
anything much over standard 66MHz.
 
RSM said:
89 MHz and last a long time. Additionally, I prefer a card that would
NOT conk out out if hibernate. I'm running Win XP Pro SP2.
Click to expand...

Nice OS for the mighty i440BX
Thanks. Any input shall be appreciated.

Regards,

Roy
Click to expand...

It might be that Sparkle have some AGP 3.0 Universal Cards supporting
3.3V.
I saw a product picture about a GeForce 6800GT. Spares for 1.5 and
3.3V!!!

But I also saw pictures about a Parhelia (Matrox) with two spares, and
they sent me a 1.5V only :-(
There are Parhelias with 3.3V sold, but probably not new one, anymore.
;-(

Best you see yourself. Go to Sparkle, maybe that GeForce6800GT with
3.3V is available!?
Would make a nice system. :-)

I am pretty satisfied with GeForce4 ti4xxx Power. Playing NwN with
everything fully on (4xAliasing), 1024x786 - smooth! (1Ghz P3)




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

P.S.: GeForce4 ti runs with 89MHz. Even with 100.
 
I believe that you'll need a card with a 3.3V AGP slot.

http://www.ertyu.org/~steven_nikkel/agpcompatibility.html

(Note that the picture on the bottom has the I/O on the right, so I'd call
it backwards with respect to the image of the graphics cards.)

If you search www.newegg.com for AGP 2X/4X video cards, you'll mostly come
up with Radeon 7000 graphics cards. They are inexpensive, but may be a
downgrade from your V7700.

I used a Geforce 4 TI 4200 card for quite a while on a mainboard with a
440BX chipset (Soyo 6BA+IV), like your P3B, with the FSB at 133 MHz. It was
entirely reliable. (I didn't use hibernation, though.) Those cards aren't
available new, as far as I know. The Geforce MX4000 seems to be available in
the Universal AGP format, but I think that it could also be a downgrade.

http://techreport.com/etc/comparo/graphics/

I'd go with the 4200, if you can find one. (A 4400, 4600, or 4800 would be
good also.) You'd get a card that supports DirectX 8.1 in hardware, if it
matters.

HTH.

Bob Knowlden


Address may be scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn.
 
RSM said:
Hi,

My V7700 deluxe card recently conked out after I hibernated my pc so I'm
planning of getting a new AGP card.
What would be the best agp card that is compatible to the P3B-F r1.04? I
plan on overclocking from 100 to 133 FSB, so I'll be needing an agp card
that can run at 89 MHz and last a long time. Additionally, I prefer a
card that would NOT conk out out if hibernate. I'm running Win XP Pro SP2.
Click to expand...

The "best" card not requiring active cooling would be a Radeon 9000 or
9200 (not SE, but one with 128 bit memory bus). I actually have two of
these (Sapphire Radeon 9000 Atlantis, 64 megs) in use, one of them in -
would you've guessed it - a P3B-F 1.04 running an 800EB at full speed
(i.e. FSB133). Issues? None, neither with stability at 89 MHz nor with
hibernation. The machine runs Win2k, can't remember whether it's still
running the 4.9 Catalyst or whether I've already updated this to 4.12 as
here (something newer doesn't really make sense). Not long ago I even
had the opportunity to check out Suspend to RAM (S3) after retiring the
ISA sound card, and somewhat to my surprise it works perfectly fine.
Only the Cheetah 36ES doesn't like it too much...

If you're after maximum 3D performance without noise considerations, I
agree that a GF4TI (4200 should be sufficient and isn't so huge) would
be hard to beat. Better stay away from Radeon 9500/9700, these don't
work all too well in 3.3V-only AGP slots (sometimes switching to AGP 1X
is required to get 'em stable). It's not surprising that newer chips do
not even support our oldies any more.

Stephan
 
Gents,

Thank you so much for the sound advice you each gave me. I appreciate it.

Regards,

Roy
 
Stephan Grossklass said:
RSM Sison schrieb:

If you're after maximum 3D performance without noise considerations,
I
agree that a GF4TI (4200 should be sufficient and isn't so huge)
would
be hard to beat. Better stay away from Radeon 9500/9700, these don't
work all too well in 3.3V-only AGP slots (sometimes switching to AGP
1X
is required to get 'em stable). It's not surprising that newer chips
do
not even support our oldies any more.
Click to expand...

As I've found out! My trusty P2B-F (even older!) is still running
fine, with Win XP Pro SP2 like yours on a P3 1GHz at 100 MHz FSB (this
is a fairly rare Slot 1 CPU with a 10x multiplier, Intel didn't supply
them for very long). Once my ATI 8500 gave up, I couldn't get the
board to run the ATI 9700 Pro or any other ATI card for that matter.
On my DVI panel the pixels flutter and colors act weird.

I've had better luck with Nvidia based cards though. AOpen Aeolus
FX5200 and an ASUS FX5600XT, both ran fine and very reliably. Then
again, I'm not overclocking anything. The AOpen is the current card
with all connections I need and passive cooling. I was able to get
this whole system down to whisper mode by adding a Samsung HD which is
virtually inaudible.

I find that a 1 GHz PIII with 440BX chipset is still very usable for
normal Office and web use with XP, given enough RAM and a Promise HD
controller for faster disk access.

G,
Friso
 
RSM said:
Hi,

My V7700 deluxe card recently conked out after I hibernated my pc so
I'm planning of getting a new AGP card. What would be the best agp
card that is compatible to the P3B-F r1.04? I plan on overclocking
from 100 to 133 FSB, so I'll be needing an agp card that can run at
89 MHz and last a long time. Additionally, I prefer a card that would
NOT conk out out if hibernate. I'm running Win XP Pro SP2.

Thanks. Any input shall be appreciated.

Regards,

Roy
Click to expand...



Sparkle SP-AG43GDH

Check out.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic
 
Sparkle SP-AG43GDH

Check out.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandi
Click to expand...

Sorry for bringing this topic above the surface, but I’d like to know
too,
what video card could I stick into an Asus P3B-F Mother board? I’d
like to
put a MSI GeForce 4 Ti 4200 - VTP128. Will the voltage of the Video
Card
and the Motherboard be compatible? Will have any problems? What is the
AGP voltage on the MSI and on the mother board?
 
ViDER said:
Sorry for bringing this topic above the surface, but I’d like to know
too,
what video card could I stick into an Asus P3B-F Mother board? I’d
like to
put a MSI GeForce 4 Ti 4200 - VTP128. Will the voltage of the Video
Card
and the Motherboard be compatible? Will have any problems? What is the
AGP voltage on the MSI and on the mother board?
Click to expand...

That card should work fine. The BX chipset does 3.3V I/O. Most current
AGP cards still support this except for some like the 6600GT which are
PCI Express internally and use an interconnect chip.
 
Robert said:
That card should work fine. The BX chipset does 3.3V I/O. Most
current AGP cards still support this except for some like the 6600GT
which are PCI Express internally and use an interconnect chip.
Click to expand...


Hi Robert!



You must be joking.... I even saw a Quadro4000 FX with 3.3 and 1.5/0.8V
Notch ;-)

http://www.pny.com/products/quadro/fx/4000fx.asp

If this is not enough 3d-power for the mighty BX, what then?
Quite expensive, too.

Also, it seems there are several 6800GT´s with "AGP3.0 Universal" Slot.
That means, it should work with 3.3V. Except the "AGP 3.0 Universal 1.5
and 0.8V only", what ever this means :-), but it have only one notch.
So are the specifications.... :-(, same version, other slots.







The AGP on the BX is also 2.0 compatible. Lookout for Cards with
sideband-addresssing possibilites, bez this is the only special feature
on the BX-AGP, Fast-Writes (AGP2.0 feature, only with 4X) are not
supported.
If you try to overclock the AGP, then you must disable sideband... it´s
not working océd.


I have done my next round .... first time I got a Matrox Parhelia (AGP
3.0 Universal 1.5 and 0.8V only). I was very angry, bez I checked so
many pictures, so many specs. Even the sellers pictures were (still
wrong) wrong, showing a Parhelia with two notches :-(.
Now I have bought a second hand one. I hope it works flawlessly with
the P2B-F. I like the 2D Speed and especially the picture quality going
with Matrox Cards.... and the Parhelia is a good compromise when you
need 3d speed, too. I think it´s near the 4xxx ti series (I would say
GeForce3 ti500). DX9 (Geforce ti is only 8.1), though the last dx9
benchmark made approx. 5fps on the mighty ti4200. So I think the
Parhelia will make 3 or 4fps ;-)

Till now, I use a G450 from Matrox, with I am perfectly satisfied....
the picture on the screen is so crisp that you might think this is a
LCD (Windows aliasing-features totally disabled, of course :-)).
Really, I tried many cards in my P2B-F.... but the G450 is still the
fastest in 2D (3D is lame), and with far far far far far outstanding
picture-quality. I hope the Parhelia can do the same, though I am
sceptical bez. the first charge of Parhelias were sold for 1000bucks,
or so. Mine is a very new Parhelia, probably Madi in China ;-(

I remember having one time a Made in Canada Mil1.... and a Mil2 (made
in Ireland)... picture quality on the Mil1 was better than the Mil2.
Made in China is probably the most worse picture quality.... etc etc
etc....

There is so much of differencies, between the available AGP-Cards. I
try to give you a small sample.
Matrox 450 and Parhelia : 2D speed; picture-quality; GigaColor!!!; 2 or
3 Monitors.....; poor 3d (g450)
Geforce 256 DDR (CT6971): Better 2D Performance than a 4200ti!!; Good
3D (not much slower as ti); poor picture
Geforce 4200ti (Gainward 4X with UltraRAM): Poor 2D (slower than the
CT6971!!!; not to mention the errors with DX3-6 Games); Amazing
(outstanding) 3D performance!!!!; even more poor picture :-(

I have to say, that both of the GeForce were easy to overclock
(BX-FSB133 - AGP 89MHz). Matrox won´t... probably the Parhelia, too.
:-). Who cares, I drive my BX with 103MHz and 68MHz FSB... SB enabled
(AGP-Test made over 300fps on the G450).

http://www.finalreality.com



Sorry Robert for crossposting text, related to ViDER´s main question.





Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

P.S.: Good Luck!!! ViDER.
 
Daniel said:
I have to say, that both of the GeForce were easy to overclock
(BX-FSB133 - AGP 89MHz). Matrox won´t... probably the Parhelia, too.
:-). Who cares, I drive my BX with 103MHz and 68MHz FSB... SB enabled
(AGP-Test made over 300fps on the G450).

http://www.finalreality.com
Click to expand...


Erm...


288,96fps (301)
16MB textures



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic
 
Back
Top