After lightning strike some USB ports acting strange

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After a thunderbolt that took out my SoundBlaster card and
dialup and ADSL modems, some of my USB ports are acting
strangely. They work OK with devices that don't have their
own power supplies but refuse to work with devices that do.
Is there a logical, technical explanation for this?

The ports are on the motherboard so changing them would
require changing the motherboard.
 
time to buy/upgrade. and buy a quality UPS.


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| After a thunderbolt that took out my SoundBlaster card and
| dialup and ADSL modems, some of my USB ports are acting
| strangely. They work OK with devices that don't have their
| own power supplies but refuse to work with devices that
do.
| Is there a logical, technical explanation for this?
|
| The ports are on the motherboard so changing them would
| require changing the motherboard.
|
| --
| Bob
|
| Kanyak's Doghouse
| http://www.kanyak.com
|
 
Opinicus said:
After a thunderbolt that took out my SoundBlaster card and dialup and ADSL
modems, some of my USB ports are acting strangely. They work OK with
devices that don't have their own power supplies but refuse to work with
devices that do. Is there a logical, technical explanation for this?

The ports are on the motherboard so changing them would require changing
the motherboard.

--
Bob

Kanyak's Doghouse
http://www.kanyak.com

Because you did not have a UPS, your motherboard was damaged by the
lightning strike. I would
*IMMEDIATELY* replace the motherboard, and would be highly suspicious of the
RAM and Processor at this point. Lightning can do no good for a motherboard
or any components attached to it.

You *NEED*.....you *MUST* buy a quality UPS before you do any repairs to
your system. You have learned a very expensive, albeit very valuable
lesson...cheap out on protection and you'll pay the price later on.

Bobby
 
Hi, why not claim it on house content insurance, will only cost you the
excess. I'm sure you are covered if you've the right cover, someone correct
me if I'm wrong....
ChrisC
 
Because you did not have a UPS, your motherboard was damaged by
the lightning strike. I would
*IMMEDIATELY* replace the motherboard, and would be highly
suspicious of the RAM and Processor at this point. Lightning
can do no good for a motherboard or any components attached to
it.

You *NEED*.....you *MUST* buy a quality UPS before you do any
repairs to your system. You have learned a very expensive,
albeit very valuable lesson...cheap out on protection and you'll
pay the price later on.

1) From the devices zapped - "SoundBlaster card and dialup and ADSL
modems, some of my USB ports" - how do you conclude that the surge
problem arrived via the power feed?


2) Being "highly suspicious of the RAM and Processor" isn't much
help. I suggest:

a) Replace the motherboard because there is evidence something is
broken.

b) Run the mfr's diagnostic tests on the hard drive(s), just in
case.

c) Run burn-in tests for 48 hours to check the RAM and processor.


3) A UPS is not a device intended to provide protection from power
surges resulting from electrical storms.

- "You *NEED*.....you *MUST* buy a quality UPS..." - Bullshit. Are
you a salesperson in that line of business?

- A reasonable quality anti-surge power strip should be adequate
for the majority of lightning power surges.
 
McSpreader said:
1) From the devices zapped - "SoundBlaster card and dialup
and ADSL
modems, some of my USB ports" - how do you conclude that
the surge
problem arrived via the power feed?

(I'm the OP.) We're on three-phase here (220 volts). However
the strike was *very* close--less than a kilometer I think.
If the surge didn't arrive via the power feed, is there
another way that the devices could have been affected?

We're going to have an arrester or somesuch installed
between the main power panel and the fee, which should take
care of surges. But I'm worried by the implication that the
problem could have been caused some other way.
 
A proper UPS will protect the power and the phone lines.
You can also get stand-alone devices to protect all the
connections to the computer. These are not 100% protection,
but most companies offer monetary guarantees for damage.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm



|
| > 1) From the devices zapped - "SoundBlaster card and
dialup
| > and ADSL
| > modems, some of my USB ports" - how do you conclude that
| > the surge
| > problem arrived via the power feed?
|
| (I'm the OP.) We're on three-phase here (220 volts).
However
| the strike was *very* close--less than a kilometer I
think.
| If the surge didn't arrive via the power feed, is there
| another way that the devices could have been affected?
|
| We're going to have an arrester or somesuch installed
| between the main power panel and the fee, which should
take
| care of surges. But I'm worried by the implication that
the
| problem could have been caused some other way.
|
| --
| Bob
|
| Kanyak's Doghouse
| http://www.kanyak.com
|
 
Your thought process is flawed. A protector will somehow
stop, block, or absorb what 3 miles of sky could not? Of
course not. Worse still are those who promote a plug-in UPS
to accomplish this same mythical solution.

To have damage, lightning obtains a path to earth ground,
destructively, via electronic components. Both an incoming
and outgoing path must exist through the damaged appliance.
Any incoming utility wire not properly earthed can become a
path to earth ground, destructively via your appliances.

So yes, a 'whole house' protector on AC mains should be
installed. But not for the reasons you have suggested.
Again, you have assumed it will stop or absorb the surge? Not
correct. The protector is only a temporary connection to
protection. You must install 'protection' so that the
'protector' can be effective. 'Protection' is the single
point earth ground.

If a building is not, at minimum, compliant with post 1990
National Electrical Code earthing requirements, then effective
protection does not exist. All other incoming utilities must
also connect to that same earth ground. Earthing - not a
protector nor a plug-in UPS - is protection.

'Whole house' protectors are so effective and so inexpensive
that the telco installs one where phone wire enters your
building. But again, how effective? Only if that telco
protector connects 'less than 10 feet' to an earth ground used
by AC electric.

Some figures from industry professionals demonstrate the
concept:

http://www.erico.com/public/library/fep/technotes/tncr002.pdf
http://www.cinergy.com/surge/ttip08.htm

You are cautioned about most previous posts. They neither
provide reasons for their recommendation nor provide a grasp
of why electronics is damaged and how electricity works. Most
embarrassing is a myth that a plug-in UPS will somehow stop
what 3 miles of sky could not. How when that UPS connects a
computer directly to AC mains? Where is the blocking device
to stop what 3 miles of sky could not?

They install just enough - some $0.10 parts - so that the
naive will believe it has an internal protector. Yes it does
have a protector. And then we apply reality - the numbers.
Notice how tiny that protector really is? So few joules are
provided. And no earth ground. They promoting mythical
protection that is not effective once we also add another fact
- the numbers.

Your protection is earth ground. So that internal appliance
protection (yes, all appliances already have effective
internal protection) is not overwhelmed, you must earth before
the destructive transient can enter a building. You must
supply that single point earth. Not just any ground. Earth
ground. No earth ground means no effective protection - no
matter how many hundreds of dollars you pay for a hyped
protector.

One final point. Manufacturer names of effective protectors
include GE, Siemens, Cutler-Hammer, Intermatic, Polyphaser,
Leviton, and Square D. Names of good reputations. Names such
as APC, Tripplite, and Belkin are promoting protection only
from transients that don't typically exist. The latter ground
is often promoted by those who never first learned basic
electrical concepts.

Effective protectors 1) discuss earthing AND 2) use a
dedicated earthing wire. That plug-in UPS hopes you never
learn about 1) and 2). Obviously. Where is the dedicated
connector to earth ground on a UPS or plug-in protector? No
earth ground means no effective protection.

A destructive surge could enter on any utility. But AC
electric is, by far, the most common source of destructive
transients to things such as modems. Notice that wire highest
on utility poles - AC electric - most often struck - connects
directly to household electronics. Any household appliance
that can connect those incoming utility wires to earth ground
may be damaged. You must earth (less than 10 feet) every
utility to a single point earth ground where all utilities
enter the building. Yes, that means even cable TV and
satellite dish.

This is 1930s technology; too often not understood when
consumers get their entire education from logic based in word
games: "surge protector sounds like and must be same as surge
protection". The well proven technology that even Ben
Franklin demonstrated in 1752: protection is earth ground.
Even a lightning rod is nothing more than a connector to
protection - earth ground. The technology is that well proven
- and yet still so many promote myths encouraged by plug-in
UPS manufacturers.
 
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