After a month or two with RTM...

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Rob Wilkens

Am I the only person finding myself in the following situation:

2 primary desktops and a laptop,
1 of the desktops dual boots between vista RTM and XP, but I continually
boot into XP only on that machine.
1 of the desktops was 'upgraded' to vista RTM bringing over all documents
and settings: I never even turn that nachine on anymore, To me, Vista
Ruined that machine. Actually, the one thing I occasionally use it for is
when I want to watch TV in my computer room because that has a TV Tuner &
Media Center, otherwise it's never touched. It's a $2,000+ 19" tv.

Laptop: I'm scared as all hell to upgrade my working laptop to Vista, if it
goes anything like my desktop machines went.

No, I can't put my finger on any one vista feature which makes me so averse
to it. It's just a combination of things, and especially the fact that a
lot of things just don't work with Vista (x64 anyway). In many ways, Vista
seems significantly slower than XP, and pardon my french but an operating
system is supposed to be in the background and letting the applications do
their thing as fast as the machine can.

If I wanted something that was pretty and slow, I would've bought a
Macintosh years ago.
 
Rob Wilkens said:
Am I the only person finding myself in the following situation:

2 primary desktops and a laptop,
1 of the desktops dual boots between vista RTM and XP, but I continually
boot into XP only on that machine.
1 of the desktops was 'upgraded' to vista RTM bringing over all documents
and settings: I never even turn that nachine on anymore, To me, Vista
Ruined that machine. Actually, the one thing I occasionally use it for is
when I want to watch TV in my computer room because that has a TV Tuner &
Media Center, otherwise it's never touched. It's a $2,000+ 19" tv.

Laptop: I'm scared as all hell to upgrade my working laptop to Vista, if it
goes anything like my desktop machines went.

No, I can't put my finger on any one vista feature which makes me so averse
to it. It's just a combination of things, and especially the fact that a
lot of things just don't work with Vista (x64 anyway). In many ways, Vista
seems significantly slower than XP, and pardon my french but an operating
system is supposed to be in the background and letting the applications do
their thing as fast as the machine can.

If I wanted something that was pretty and slow, I would've bought a
Macintosh years ago.

--
Rob W


You bought three copies of Vista and don't like it?
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What makes you say that? He may have a Technet subscription, and could be
evaluating it on up to ten machines.

JW
 
It sounds like Vista may not be for you. If you prefer XP then stick with
it. It is unlikely you will like Vista any better on your laptop than on
your desktops. Personally I prefer Vista and have it on my notebook and my
desktop but this is a personal preference at this point in time. In the
future as programs are written to take advantage of Vista this will probably
change but that is in the future. With XP it was a couple of years before
this happened. I don't see any reason that Vista won't follow the same
pattern.
 
Because everyone knows you can't watch TV in the living room with a Technet
licensed copy of Vista.

Dale
 
Dale said:
Because everyone knows you can't watch TV in the living room with a
Technet licensed copy of Vista.

Dale
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It's in his computer room. Perhaps the computer room is his test TV area,
whilst the living room is the production environment. Either way, he has
been testing Vista, and one keeps failing - and is hence akin to a $2,000
19" TV. Technet subscriptions allow you to evaluate without any time
constraint. Surely a system only comes out of 'testing' when it's proven.

JW
 
Because everyone knows you can't watch TV in the living room with a
Technet licensed copy of Vista.
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If I was writing something that ran on Media Centre PCs and actually
interacted with the media centre component, or if I supported Media
Centre PCs for a living, I'd make it a point to actually use the darn
thing for its intended purpose before attempting to talk to other
people about it, otherwise what is the point of testing it at all?
 
Just a suggestion, but I'd say to forget all the things you know and expect
from previous operating systems and try Vista as if it were a whole new
paradigm.

There are some lessons from the previous operating systems that Microsoft
seems to have forgotten, some features that just make no sense at all to
have dropped, but over all, it's a pretty decent operating system. It has a
lot of good new features mixed in with the fluff and eye-candy.

And above all, it is much safer in the hands of untrained non-administrative
users. That alone will always keep Vista on my own PC at home because my
kids and grandkids all have their own logins on my PC. They don't use my
wife's or my media center or my laptop so I'm not in as much of a hurry to
get those to Vista but I travel for work and I sleep better on the road
knowing Vista is protecting my grandkids and my PC while I'm away.

Dale
 
Sure you can. You'd just be evaluating how it works so you can support the
boss' television watching habits on Vista.
 
Am I the only person finding myself in the following situation:
Yes

2 primary desktops and a laptop,
1 of the desktops dual boots between vista RTM and XP, but I continually
boot into XP only on that machine.
1 of the desktops was 'upgraded' to vista RTM bringing over all documents
and settings: I never even turn that nachine on anymore, To me, Vista
Ruined that machine.
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Then go back to XP. Why have a machine that's "ruined"?
Actually, the one thing I occasionally use it for is when I want to watch
TV in my computer room because that has a TV Tuner & Media Center,
otherwise it's never touched. It's a $2,000+ 19" tv.
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You can get get a nice plasma TV's in the 42"-50" range for that amount.
 
You're absolutely right.

Dale

Robert Moir said:
If I was writing something that ran on Media Centre PCs and actually
interacted with the media centre component, or if I supported Media Centre
PCs for a living, I'd make it a point to actually use the darn thing for
its intended purpose before attempting to talk to other people about it,
otherwise what is the point of testing it at all?
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Hello Rob Wilkens,

The dual boot is the true source for the conflict you described (learned the
difficult method).

Simply, the XP creates confusion for Vista's inherent Security, just a
demonstration of Vista's inherent Ultimate Security. Also, don't think
BitLocker wil *properly* function using dual boot.
 
Hello Max,

Any person that has the audacity and boldness for discrediting statements
from Jim Allchin and Mike Nash has no right for making Posts within these
Forums, specifically certain MVPs. The secondary results are more than
reprehensible; those MVPs should forever be removed from these Forums due to
their disrespect toward Microsoft.

Respectfully,
 
Please! What are you babbling on about?

I dual boot Vista and Windows XP with absolutely NO interaction at all.

It all depends upon how you accomplish it.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
You know, seriously, the incessant cheerleading, flag waving, PR copy/paste
posting. and name dropping, such as is sometimes demonstrated in forums such
as these, serve no purpose (though at first, amusing) but to often reveal
the poster to be, at best, ignorant, and at worst, a fool. With little real
apparent knowledge of what they pretend to be talking about. As they go on
and on, and this lack of knowledge is revealed more and more, other posters
(some with real knowledge and experience to know what they are talking
about) start to challenge their statements. This typically results in The
Fool On The Hill modifying their attitude in reply to the challenges and
becoming 'nasty' as they are backed into a corner by their own foolishness.
Now, if it is the true intention of such people to be perceived as a fool by
others, they will continue until they are ignored and kill-filed by
everyone--and become the Newsgroup Joke.
Otherwise, they just shut up and/or go away.

I wonder which path you would choose if you were in such a situation?
 
I subscribed to MSDN, Technet and I also will be receiving another ten
licenses through the Microsoft action pack subscription.
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I don't know that there's an uninstall vista option without wiping out my
hard disk, which is not an option on one machine (the $2,000 19" tv). The
other computer(s) are dual booting.

As per the speed of the computers, one is a 3gh HT machine (from 2004) and
one is a brand new Dual-Core machine.

--
Rob W
Kerry Brown said:
It sounds like Vista may not be for you. If you prefer XP then stick with
it. It is unlikely you will like Vista any better on your laptop than on
your desktops. Personally I prefer Vista and have it on my notebook and my
desktop but this is a personal preference at this point in time. In the
future as programs are written to take advantage of Vista this will
probably change but that is in the future. With XP it was a couple of
years before this happened. I don't see any reason that Vista won't follow
the same pattern.
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Nah, they're on different hard disks... IT's not a problem (the dual boot).
Dual-boot was a necessity, not the least of which is that my customer (I'm a
software developer incidentally) runs Pre-SP2 windows xp and there are
things that _work_ with internet explorer 7 that don't work with Internet
explorer 6 (Small Example: using ClickOnce deployment in Microsoft Visual
Studio on a server that doesn't have the mime-type configured -- not a
problem for ie 7, but when my customer told me it didn't work I was pulling
hairs to find out that it only worked because I had a different OS and
Browser). Running both is a necessity for me.
 
Oh, and I plan on going to the Vista Launch celebration in Times Square (NY)
January 29th. I'm guessing they'll be handing out freebie copies there as
well. I'm not holding my breath, but I'd like to think some of the
compatibility issues will go away once it goes public.

BTW - Majority of my vista problems are with 64-bit vista.
 
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