Aero vs XGL / Compliz

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I'm just a new advanced user of Windows Vista final release. I'm from
Spain and I went to Microsoft Conference of Windows Vista Presentation and
the incredible .NET Framework 3.0 one week ago. I'm MCSD .NET Consultant and
one day I was navigating and visiting different forums. What was my surprise
when I found this link:


Windows vista does not support this kinds of movements, animations etc...
? Microsoft is planning to develop? I think that with XAML it is very simple
to develop for all your expert .NET people.

I really desire that one day Microsoft will be able to close the mouth to
all linux people. Please, Help me to do that.


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Netkueik said:

I really desire that one day Microsoft will be able to close the
mouth to
all linux people. Please, Help me to do that.
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Been there, done that. But if I want that kind of gimmicky animation,
I'll play a game where that kind of graphics animation is practical
and useful.

Personally, I don't really care for Aero Glass and Flip 3D animation,
but Vista offers some other features that are practical to users.
 
Been there, done that. But if I want that kind of gimmicky animation, I'll
play a game where that kind of graphics animation is practical and useful.
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I think it seems "impressive", not "gimmicky". The fact is that XGL is doing
all that using far less hardware resources than Vista. I think it represents
much more than fancy graphics, it represents optimization, coding elegance
and creativity.

Besides, I remember some years ago a Longhorn demo was shown with that kind
of UI "gimmicky", from which just a partial transparency (and Flip 3D) was
left. Not because MS found it "too gimmicky" or else, but because perhaps
they couldn't make DirectX be something like XGL. It would be nice to know
why...

Anyway, I am downloading Mandriva Linux 2007 and will try XGL... And play
some games, also... <:^)

Cirde
 
I run compiz on my debian linux installation. I find it just smoother
myself (never-mind gimmicky). By that I mean, when I move a window, I
expect it to react naturally the way something like that would react if I
dragged it -- not a simple "dead stop".

Of course, I showed it to another non-techie and they said it made them
"sea-sick".

-Rob
 
If youm look at the entire video, you will see that it IS more than
gimmicky. There are some practical uses I see from productivity
standpoint - look at ENTIRE video before you say anything. The admire the
coding of this not due to the much more fancy capability than vista but
because of the LITTLE requirements it has compared to Vista! My 4-5 year
old computers can run it - Vista can't do it on a 2 year old computer.
 
Ok COLLIN, but I think that vista is more than a simple window moving
impressing. This week I downloaded the final release in spanish and I can
express my good feeling that I have had. I only have one question about
Ubuntu, Suse etc... When you be able to make a application at the same level
of .Net Framework 3.0, and using XAML you will be able to come back and
explain me that. Avalon and XAML has been a project of six years, and why?
Because you, now, can make different aplications, gadgets, client platforms,
web platforms, and all windows vista flips that you want and all that you
want in the best and simple way that you can imagine. And IIS 7.0 ? And
incredible remodeling of web server doing it in a Component Oriented
Architecture and programatically.

Really I think that linux people and projects are very good and
impressive products but I'm sure that now, with windows vista and, Office
2007, .NEt framework 3.0, Sharepoint 2007, IIS 7.0, SQL2005 and VS2005,
there isn't another company capable to offer a similary environment.

I don't worry to impressive movements or "flips" of windows. One week
ago, there was a subscription to a competition of development Gadgeds for
windows vista, and you don't now how many gadgets and with how many different
funcionalities appears in 2 days. That was incredible!!! You can apply the
same with "windows flip". I think that Microsoft have been developing the
best environmet to develop anything in the best way, and his name is .NET
Framework 3.0. There isn't anything better than this.
 
Your requirements are more tailored to backend...this all about Desktop
environment...

As far as backend goes, JBOSS, etc fit that bill - not to my taste like
Sharepoint and .Net.
 
Netkueik said:
Windows vista does not support this kinds of movements, animations etc...
?
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Do you know the graphics power of DirectX10/9 ? Areo uses the DirectX.
 
Doesn't matter, because I can run better looking effects on XGL than
Aero...there's more things I can do. I know what you are saying about
capability of DirectX but Vista as the OS doesn't fully utilize it with
features whereas XGL applies all kinds of features / effects on lower end
machines / video cards.

Until Vista can do MORE than XGL as far as the OS then I will be more apt to
support and migrate to Vista, but it doesn't and I'm not a gamer to need
DirectX.
 
Yes yes, I know I know, but my question looks around why Microsoft
doesn't develop that kind of movements and flips on windows vista. I know
perfectly that DirectX is powerfull to do that and all things that you want.

But I tried to focus the answer on that Microsoft spent a lot of time
and money to develop the environment ( .NET framework 3.0 ) and not to
implement those movements.

Sincerely if all people think about DirectX, .NET Framework 3.0 and
XAML, they can see that for Microsoft it is very simple to do that, because
he has the engine created. He has reenginered all the environment to work in
a better way.
 
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