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I see many posts on having to 'run' Vista as an admin to be able to
save games or just about get any game to work. I will soon use Vista
Premium 64 bit. Now I use XP of course and always run it as an admin,
in any ways, I can make any changes to my system because I never felt
the need to restrict myself by using another user profile.

In Vista, why would there be a reason NOT to maximize your power over
the stubborn beast that it seems to be and I wonde rif you can at
least set Vista to always have you logged in as an admin.
 
Verger said:
I see many posts on having to 'run' Vista as an admin to be able to
save games or just about get any game to work. I will soon use Vista
Premium 64 bit. Now I use XP of course and always run it as an admin,
in any ways, I can make any changes to my system because I never felt
the need to restrict myself by using another user profile.

In Vista, why would there be a reason NOT to maximize your power over
the stubborn beast that it seems to be and I wonde rif you can at
least set Vista to always have you logged in as an admin.
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I should tell you now Verger, Vista has some new security. And for the most
part it's REALLY messed up.

Vista no longer runs in full Administrator mode. When you login your account
will be deemed an Administrator, but unless you tell a program that it's OK
to modify your system files, Vista does not allow programs to change your
system settings.

Whenever a program wants to change something on your system it's supposed to
trigger a pop-up that alerts you that some change is about to take place to
your system settings, then you click "Continue" and the program is given
access to change stuff.

If you're not logged in as an admin, then instead of just clicking continue
you have to enter the login/password of an account on your system with Admin
access.

So why does everyone say you have to tell a program to "Run as Admin"?
Basically I guess some programs don't trigger the right calls, so Vista
never asks if it's OK and automatically denies access to the program (or
game) and the game is unable to write the files out it needs to operate
correctly, and (usually) crashes, or quits, etc.

All I can suggest is you get the OS and try it for yourself. It's confusing
at first, but I understand what they are trying to do. To summerize:

-You do run your computer as an Administrator, but administrators accounts
still can't access protected areas unless the program asks Vista for
permission and you say it's OK.
-Running the program as Administrator opens the program to allow access to
your system without asking.
-You usually have to do this with older programs/games because they simply
don't know how to work through Vista's hurdles.

Hope that's not too confusing. I'm not a certified Microsoft guy, this is
just my observations and conculsions. I know it boggles my mind daily.

-Andy.

p.s.- You can turn off UAC, (User Account Control), but even with it off you
sometimes still have to choose "Run as Admin", I think.
 
Andy said:
Vista no longer runs in full Administrator mode. When you login your
account will be deemed an Administrator, but unless you tell a program
that it's OK to modify your system files, Vista does not allow programs to
change your system settings.
Click to expand...

Yea, but you can set any game or app to run permanently with admin
privileges so it's not that big of a deal. And there are hacks out there
that will give you full admin rights on Vista all the time. Just search for
them on google.
 
Pooh-Man said:
Yea, but you can set any game or app to run permanently with admin
privileges so it's not that big of a deal. And there are hacks out there
that will give you full admin rights on Vista all the time. Just search
for them on google.
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Yeah, open up what little security you got an let the fun begin! Why don't
you download off "Limewire" while you're at it. My shop charges $199 for
virus removal, we need the business.
 
Andy said:
Yeah, open up what little security you got an let the fun begin! Why don't
you download off "Limewire" while you're at it. My shop charges $199 for
virus removal, we need the business.
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Giving one game admin privileges doesn't open up the whole system to admin
privileges. I had to do that for some games on XP even running under a
limited user account because they used Punkbuster anti-cheat and needed
admin access. Nothing new about that. And I won't be paying you or anyone
else if I did happen to get a virus, which I never have, because anyone who
claims they can make system clean of a virus without doing a secure wipe is
a liar. Why would I pay you to do a secure wipe when I can do it myself for
free?
 
Pooh-Man said:
Giving one game admin privileges doesn't open up the whole system to admin
privileges. I had to do that for some games on XP even running under a
limited user account because they used Punkbuster anti-cheat and needed
admin access. Nothing new about that. And I won't be paying you or anyone
else if I did happen to get a virus, which I never have, because anyone
who claims they can make system clean of a virus without doing a secure
wipe is a liar. Why would I pay you to do a secure wipe when I can do it
myself for free?
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I know, just poking yer ribs. :P

-A.
 
I should tell you now Verger, Vista has some new security. And for the most
part it's REALLY messed up.

Vista no longer runs in full Administrator mode. When you login your account
will be deemed an Administrator, but unless you tell a program that it's OK
to modify your system files, Vista does not allow programs to change your
system settings.
Click to expand...

That is what I got yes. I understand that because I read on here and
see this told a lot to people. I worked a little on Vista at a friends
house. annoying popups where you constanly have to clcik through to
get it done. I read someplace how to turn that shit off :-) I think
that will be about the first things I do after installing Vista Premin
64.
Whenever a program wants to change something on your system it's supposed to
trigger a pop-up that alerts you that some change is about to take place to
your system settings, then you click "Continue" and the program is given
access to change stuff.
Click to expand...

Right on.
If you're not logged in as an admin, then instead of just clicking continue
you have to enter the login/password of an account on your system with Admin
access.
Click to expand...
But can you set it to autologin as admin? because it would be a pian
to have to do it after already being logge don. In whatever mode there
is.
So why does everyone say you have to tell a program to "Run as Admin"?
Basically I guess some programs don't trigger the right calls, so Vista
never asks if it's OK and automatically denies access to the program (or
game) and the game is unable to write the files out it needs to operate
correctly, and (usually) crashes, or quits, etc.

All I can suggest is you get the OS and try it for yourself. It's confusing
at first, but I understand what they are trying to do. To summerize:
Click to expand...

That is to be expected. I don't expect it to be the same just from the
start. Although one of these mlilennia they sure have to program OS's
that way...
-You do run your computer as an Administrator, but administrators accounts
still can't access protected areas unless the program asks Vista for
permission and you say it's OK.
Click to expand...

I see.
-Running the program as Administrator opens the program to allow access to
your system without asking.
-You usually have to do this with older programs/games because they simply
don't know how to work through Vista's hurdles.
Click to expand...

Okay. Clear.
Hope that's not too confusing. I'm not a certified Microsoft guy, this is
just my observations and conculsions. I know it boggles my mind daily.

-Andy.

p.s.- You can turn off UAC, (User Account Control), but even with it off you
sometimes still have to choose "Run as Admin", I think.
Click to expand...

That is what I get from all you guys experiences so far. Ah well. It
is just something to endure until time passes by and software is
developped, games as well, that specifically appease Vista and make it
not annoy us with popus etc.

This is a time of transition and unfortunately there are these ackward
things you just havw to be Zen about :-)
 
Giving one game admin privileges doesn't open up the whole system to admin
privileges. I had to do that for some games on XP even running under a
limited user account because they used Punkbuster anti-cheat and needed
admin access. Nothing new about that. And I won't be paying you or anyone
else if I did happen to get a virus, which I never have, because anyone who
claims they can make system clean of a virus without doing a secure wipe is
a liar. Why would I pay you to do a secure wipe when I can do it myself for
free?
Click to expand...

But in any case, it amazes me always when I let it sink in how many
users are ripping their hair out unable to work a PC and remove a
virus or fix a problem. I know an older guy who i help fix things. he
runs Vista. And he cannot just keep away from experimenting in the
wrong fashion. And I don't have any Vista experience yet and I cans
till fix his problems or point him to settings he never knew of.

People panick. But you know, although it would be a pain, an format C:
and a new OS install is all ti takes :-) Such people rarely do stuff
on the PC that cannot be missed. They have a browser, an email client,
some email, a few pictures, all that can be put on a rewriteable.

So yes, amazing what people will pay just to nt have to learn to work
a PC.
 
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