Added New HD

[Chuck]

I'm sucessfully added a new HD. I'm now transferring about 25Gb of Music
stuff ( .wav .wma .mp3 ) from the old 60Gb HD ( my primary master ) to the
new 160Gb ( the primary slave ). The problem is, it says it's going to take
180 mins using the "move" option.

Is there something I'm missing? Is my setup incorrect? I had the orig 60Gb
as the primary master and two drives as the secondary master and slave (
DVD-ROM and DVD+/-RW ) and it all seemed fine. The data transfer HAS to be
quicker than this. 2-3 hrs to move 25Gb from one drive to the other? What
am I doing wrong?

 

[callsignviper]

I'm sucessfully added a new HD. I'm now transferring about 25Gb of Music
stuff ( .wav .wma .mp3 ) from the old 60Gb HD ( my primary master ) to the
new 160Gb ( the primary slave ). The problem is, it says it's going to take
180 mins using the "move" option.

Is there something I'm missing? Is my setup incorrect? I had the orig 60Gb
as the primary master and two drives as the secondary master and slave (
DVD-ROM and DVD+/-RW ) and it all seemed fine. The data transfer HAS to be
quicker than this. 2-3 hrs to move 25Gb from one drive to the other? What
am I doing wrong?

Is DMA enabled for both drives?


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[Chuck]

Is there something I'm missing? Is my setup incorrect? I had the orig

60Gb

Is DMA enabled for both drives?


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It is enabled for the new hd, running ultra 5. The original 60Gb is about 3
years old, running in the PIO mode. I think that's the problem. Final
speed was about 2.4mb/sec for the transfer.

 

[FuzionMan]

I believe the new drive has to slow down when added with your old drive.
You should try moving the new HD to secondary IDE as master, and one of the
cdrom's as slave. Move one of the CDroms to the primary IDE as a slave.
Now both HD's have their own IDE to play with..

 

[Mike Walsh]

2.4 MB/sec is about right for PIO mode. Your OS and applications should be on a drive with DMA enabled if you want good performance. If you can't get DMA enabled on the old drive you should use it for data or backup only.

 

[Shep©]

It is enabled for the new hd, running ultra 5. The original 60Gb is about 3
years old, running in the PIO mode. I think that's the problem. Final
speed was about 2.4mb/sec for the transfer.

Even a 3 year old drive should be capable of UDMA mode.
Also if copying files from one drive to another it's best to have the
drives on separate IDE ports.
HTH



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[~misfit~]

Even a 3 year old drive should be capable of UDMA mode.
Also if copying files from one drive to another it's best to have the
drives on separate IDE ports.
HTH

Totally agree. That 60GB drive *is* capable of UDMA mode, and I'd have it on
the second IDE channel as master. Hell, I've got 8GB drives running in UDMA
mode.

 

[kony]

Totally agree. That 60GB drive *is* capable of UDMA mode, and I'd have it on
the second IDE channel as master. Hell, I've got 8GB drives running in UDMA
mode.

Most >=1.5GB will too.

 

[Chuck]

Totally agree. That 60GB drive *is* capable of UDMA mode, and I'd have it
on

the second IDE channel as master. Hell, I've got 8GB drives running in UDMA
mode.

It shows as running in Ultra Mode 5 now, same as the new 160. During the
moving of data from the 60, the 60 was showing as running in the PIO mode.
The 60 was the Primary Master and the 160 was the Primary Slave. I've now
switched them around, making the 160 the primary but still booting from the
60.

I can't get my cables to be able to set the two hard drives as the 2 masters
and still allow the two DVD drives to be the slaves. I can't get them in
bays close enough to let me stretch the cable. Do they make extensions or
cables with more space between the primary and the secondary?

In addition, I've already moved a lot of data from the 60 to the 160. I'd
like to be able to transfer the entire drive, making the 160 my primary
master, boot drive and operating system files. What's the easiest way to
copy the entire contents over to the new drive? I can't use the WD
suppplied Data Lifeguard tools to swap the info, I've already transferred
too much data to the new drive and it says I will lose it. I can't send it
back to the old drive, not enough room now. I tried Ghost from Norton SW
2003, but it sent me to a DOS program that kept hanging up.

I'm really just trying to get the op sys onto the new drive as painless as
possible.

 

[~misfit~]

It shows as running in Ultra Mode 5 now, same as the new 160. During
the moving of data from the 60, the 60 was showing as running in the
PIO mode. The 60 was the Primary Master and the 160 was the Primary
Slave. I've now switched them around, making the 160 the primary but
still booting from the
60.

I can't get my cables to be able to set the two hard drives as the 2
masters and still allow the two DVD drives to be the slaves. I can't
get them in bays close enough to let me stretch the cable. Do they
make extensions or cables with more space between the primary and the
secondary?

It doesn't really need to be the master on the second IDE, it could be slave
and still get better results than having them both on the same channel but I
guess that would still be difficult? Yes, some shops will have cables with
differing spacing to the 'norm' but they could be hard to find.

In addition, I've already moved a lot of data from the 60 to the 160.
I'd like to be able to transfer the entire drive, making the 160 my
primary master, boot drive and operating system files. What's the
easiest way to copy the entire contents over to the new drive? I
can't use the WD suppplied Data Lifeguard tools to swap the info,
I've already transferred too much data to the new drive and it says I
will lose it. I can't send it back to the old drive, not enough room
now. I tried Ghost from Norton SW 2003, but it sent me to a DOS
program that kept hanging up.

LOL, what have you put on the 60? The only way to do what you want that I
know of is to have the 160 empty and use WD's software.

I'm really just trying to get the op sys onto the new drive as
painless as possible.

As above. Can you burn the extra data off the 60 onto CDRs (or DVDRs), copy
the other stuff back, then do a drive image?

Seriously though, I'd be inclined to do a complete new install of the OS and
apps on the 160. It might take you a day maybe but, IMO, it would be the
ideal.

 

[Shep©]

Most >=1.5GB will too.

My 1st PC 1.2 gig fujitsu hard drive in win95 was in UDMA mode on a
PC 133 Intel chip and board.VX IIRC

Basic things.
1:Correct cables(Might as well use 80 wire/40 pin UDMA 66/100/133 for
everything these days).
2:Correct jumper settings.
3:If needed BIOS update.
4:Win9X/ME make sure the NOIDE call has not been placed into the
registry because of a failed IDE detect as per,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/mode.html
and thus forcing the O/S into,"MSdos Compatibility mode"
5:WinXP/Win9X/ME make sure the correct IDE controller driver is
installed as per,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/cdsetup.html
This is,"Not" the same as the hard drive drivers which even now the
plain vanilla windows drivers are still the best,even in XP and in XP
sometimes you have to change the PIO to UDMA and re-boot for XP to
correctly detect.
Also for XP you must have SP1 installed if the drive is a UDMA/ATA 133
to get full support and also fix the partition limits etc.
this page has most of it but needs updating,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/hard.html

HTH

As a general Benchmark on my system using a 24X CDR/W drive on a
separate port from the hard drive I'm reading from a 700 meg image
file will take well less than five mins to image.
It's takes about the same time for me to do a 700
meg,"On-the-Fly" ISO from my Cdrom drives to each other.Again on
separate IDE ports.
HTH





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[Chuck]

It doesn't really need to be the master on the second IDE, it could be
slave

and still get better results than having them both on the same channel but I
guess that would still be difficult? Yes, some shops will have cables with
differing spacing to the 'norm' but they could be hard to find.

Yes, it was recommended that I have each HD on a seperate IDE. Trying to
accomplish it wasn't easy, I gave up.

LOL, what have you put on the 60? The only way to do what you want that I
know of is to have the 160 empty and use WD's software.

I'm greedy and am using up the new 160Gb already. I have about 30Gb free
on the 60Gb now, but have 40Gb saved on the 160Gb. Unless I burn off some
stuff, I don't have enough room to put everything back onto the 60Gb.

As above. Can you burn the extra data off the 60 onto CDRs (or DVDRs), copy
the other stuff back, then do a drive image?

Looks like if I want to get this done right, I may have too. I started
doing an install of XP Pro to the 160, but in addition to losing all data on
the 160 I realized I'd rather copy my entire op sys from the old one, if
it's possible. All those updates, patches, etc. I really don't want to
start from scratch, the system runs fine. I was looking for a little
performance increase by using the newer drive as the op sys drive. I just
would like to have the 160 as the "main" drive and only use the 60gb for
infrequently used stuff. I want everything from the C: ( 60 ) moved to the
F: ( 160 ), including the op sys so that it would be my boot drive.

 

[Trent©]

Yes, it was recommended that I have each HD on a seperate IDE. Trying to
accomplish it wasn't easy, I gave up.

Yer gonna git lousy performance if you don't. Its best if that new
160 is not on the same controller as the other drive. It shouldn't be
a biggee to do it that way.

BTW...as you now know...you should NEVER do a 'move' when transferring
data. Just do a 'copy'. Then, when done, go back and do a delete of
the stuff you copied over.

It takes longer to do a move than it does to do a copy and delete.
And, as you found out, a move has risks.

I'm greedy and am using up the new 160Gb already. I have about 30Gb free
on the 60Gb now, but have 40Gb saved on the 160Gb. Unless I burn off some
stuff, I don't have enough room to put everything back onto the 60Gb.

Install the 160 by itself on the computer. Then create an additional
partition on that drive...there is free software out there that can do
that without loosing any data. Then transfer yer new greedy stuff on
the main partition of the 160 to that new partition...'till the
original partition is back to the smaller size you need. Then move
that stuff back to the 60 drive...where it will now again fit.

I can't imagine that you won't have problems, though...especially
trying to put the files back from whence they came.

Anyway...when you get things back to where they should be on the
60...clone the 60 to the 160...but clone it partition to
partition...NOT drive to drive. When you get that done...and the 160
boots okay...then copy the data on the new partition on that drive to
the main partition on that drive. Then delete that extra
partition...if you want.

Personally, I'd KEEP that extra partition...and make it large...to
accommodate things like mp3's, jpeg's, etc.

When you feel confident that everything's running right, you can then
wipe the 60.

Looks like if I want to get this done right, I may have too. I started
doing an install of XP Pro to the 160, but in addition to losing all data on
the 160 I realized I'd rather copy my entire op sys from the old one, if
it's possible.

Its possible...do a clone.

All those updates, patches, etc. I really don't want to
start from scratch, the system runs fine. I was looking for a little
performance increase by using the newer drive as the op sys drive. I just
would like to have the 160 as the "main" drive and only use the 60gb for
infrequently used stuff. I want everything from the C: ( 60 ) moved to the
F: ( 160 ), including the op sys so that it would be my boot drive.

The above shud work...let us know.

Good luck.


Wishing you and yours a happy holiday season...

Trent

Proud member of the Roy Rogers fan club!

 

[Chuck]

Install the 160 by itself on the computer. Then create an additional

partition on that drive...there is free software out there that can do
that without loosing any data. Then transfer yer new greedy stuff on
the main partition of the 160 to that new partition...'till the
original partition is back to the smaller size you need. Then move
that stuff back to the 60 drive...where it will now again fit.

All of the tools I've seen to partition drives wipe them clean first. I'll
look around, but do you know of any links or freeware names that can
accomplish the partitioning of the 160 without losing the 40GB on there
already? I own Ghost ( from NSW 2003 ), but it would delete the 160's data
in order to partition it.

I can't imagine that you won't have problems, though...especially
trying to put the files back from whence they came.

I can't risk losing my data already on the 160. Irreplaceable and too much
data to back up onto DVD's or CD's. I would rather keep my present setup
than risk losing it.

Anyway...when you get things back to where they should be on the
60...clone the 60 to the 160...but clone it partition to
partition...NOT drive to drive. When you get that done...and the 160
boots okay...then copy the data on the new partition on that drive to
the main partition on that drive. Then delete that extra
partition...if you want.

I don't see any disadvantage to having the 160 as one big partition.

So.... I need to be able to partition the 160 that already has data that I
can't lose. Is it possible to just copy the contents of the 60 ( about
23Gb, including the WinXP Pro op sys ) to the newly created partition and
make that my boot drive? I could then copy the 40Gb of data from the
original partion on the 160 back to the 60. All I'd need to do then is to
remove the empty partition on the 160 ( again, without causing problems in
the new partition which would have my op sys in it ) and copy the data from
the 60 back onto the 160, which would have only one partition.

Am I on track here?

 

[Trent©]

All of the tools I've seen to partition drives wipe them clean first. I'll
look around, but do you know of any links or freeware names that can
accomplish the partitioning of the 160 without losing the 40GB on there
already? I own Ghost ( from NSW 2003 ), but it would delete the 160's data
in order to partition it.

I *THINK* BootItNG can do it...but I'm not positive. At any rate,
its not entirely free. Its an evaluation copy...but I don't think its
crippled at all.

It sounds like your data is kinda valuable. If I were you, I'd spend
the money on Partition Magic...or take the machine to someone who can
do a complete backup of each drive before they attempt anything.
You'll only get one chance to screw it up royally!

I can't risk losing my data already on the 160. Irreplaceable and too much
data to back up onto DVD's or CD's. I would rather keep my present setup
than risk losing it.

Then that's the way I would go. You've already done it wrong...but
only thru ignorance. Do you want to take another chance?

I don't see any disadvantage to having the 160 as one big partition.

You will when you start doing defrags! lol

So.... I need to be able to partition the 160 that already has data that I
can't lose. Is it possible to just copy the contents of the 60 ( about
23Gb, including the WinXP Pro op sys ) to the newly created partition and
make that my boot drive?

You?...or a technician? With all due respect...I'd say 'no'.

I could then copy the 40Gb of data from the
original partion on the 160 back to the 60. All I'd need to do then is to
remove the empty partition on the 160 ( again, without causing problems in
the new partition which would have my op sys in it ) and copy the data from
the 60 back onto the 160, which would have only one partition.

Am I on track here?

Not if I followed yer original posts. I thought you said that you now
have more than 60 gig of data on the new drive...30 gig roughly plus
30 gig roughly plus 10 NEW stuff roughly. If you bring the REST of
the data over, yer STILL gonna have more than 60 gig...about 70 gig,
if I remember some of your figures.

I really think yer over your head with this. If the data is important
to you, take it to a professional...or at least do a complete backup
of BOTH drives...and a VIABLE restore...before you go any further.

Good luck.



Wishing you and yours a happy holiday season...

Trent

Proud member of the Roy Rogers fan club!

 

[Chuck]

I haven't screwed anything up IMHO. I installed a second drive and am now
trying to improve my performance by optimizing the system. I've decided I'd
like to use the 160Gb drive as my main drive, host the operating system and
be my boot drive. I really don't want to have to do a fresh install of
WinXP Pro, it's not that important or necessary. I've had zero problems
with my system and have maintained it well. I'm looking for the easiest way
to move my operating system and all of the data from the 60Gb to the 160Gb.
My only drawback is that I already have data on the 160Gb and can't clone or
ghost the 60Gb to the 160Gb without losing my data. At least as far as I
knew.

The 60Gb has 22.5Gb used and 33.3Gb free. One single partition.

The 160Gb has 40.9Gb used and 108Gb free. One single partition.

Roughly 63Gb of data total on the 2 drives.

If I'm able to partition the 160Gb without losing the data, I can get my
goal accomplished. I'm no expert, but I'm quite comfortable with my ability
to get this done without paying someone else to do it. Instead of saying
"If I.......", I guess I should have said "Is it possible to.....".

Is it possible to a) make another partition on the 160 without losing that
data, and b) copy/clone the entire contents of the 60, including the
operating system to the new partition allowing me to sucessfully change the
boot drive to the 160 and leave me with an empty 60?

The new partition on the 160 would only have to be roughly 25Gb, enough to
accomodate the op sys and programs/data from the 60. I may just split it
into two even partitions, one for executables and one for data. I agree
that it may be better to leave the partition on the 160 for data, etc. when
defragging is taken into consideration.

I truly appreciate your help.

 

[Chuck]

I *THINK* BootItNG can do it...but I'm not positive. At any rate,

its not entirely free. Its an evaluation copy...but I don't think its
crippled at all.

I've found BootItNG. According to the info, it can partition my drive
without disturbing the data on the 160. This should allow me to copy the
contents of the 60 to the new partition on the 160. As long as the 160
boots safely, I can delete the data on the 60 and be done.

 

[CBFalconer]

I've found BootItNG. According to the info, it can partition my
drive without disturbing the data on the 160. This should allow
me to copy the contents of the 60 to the new partition on the 160.
As long as the 160 boots safely, I can delete the data on the 60
and be done.

Partition Magic can repartition drives without loosing data. It
highly recommends a backup, in case of accident. After all, it
just takes one cosmic ray to destroy everything if you don't have
ECC memory, for example. This applies to any system.