Added HDD Not accessable

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My original post to this group is pasted below. The installed Slave drive
is recognized in the BIOS and also in Device Manager (no conflicts); but it
doesn't show up so that it can be accessed. Under the "My Computer" page;
it shows Floppy (A) - HP_Pavilion (C) - Compact Disc (M) and
Control Panel (no letter). A search of "MyDocuments" folder, shows that
it is listed under the C: drive. What else should I be doing to make
this slave drive usable?


Can a Western Digital Caviar 31600-004 - l.6GB HDD with 4 partitions
(D, E, F and G) that is currently being used as a Slave in my older PC
(Win95) be installed as a Slave in my newer HP Pavilion XT952 PC (Win ME)
which has 256B memory and a 350W (noisy) PS; by just installing, leaving the
jumper setting to Slave and rebooting? My CD writer is set as "M".
 
John Imp said:
My original post to this group is pasted below. The installed Slave drive
is recognized in the BIOS and also in Device Manager (no conflicts); but it
doesn't show up so that it can be accessed. Under the "My Computer" page;
it shows Floppy (A) - HP_Pavilion (C) - Compact Disc (M) and
Control Panel (no letter). A search of "MyDocuments" folder, shows that
it is listed under the C: drive. What else should I be doing to make
this slave drive usable?
Click to expand...

Did you partition it?

Right click MY COMPUTER -> MANAGE -> DISK MANAGER
 
This HD was taken from another computer and already had four partitions.
The OS on the newer computer is ME and does not enable - Right click MY
COMPUTER -> MANAGE -> DISK MANAGER. A search did not fine Disk Manager
either.
 
John Imp said:
This HD was taken from another computer and already had four partitions.
The OS on the newer computer is ME and does not enable - Right click MY
COMPUTER -> MANAGE -> DISK MANAGER. A search did not fine Disk Manager
either.
Click to expand...

Sorry, didn't see ME mentioned.

Just because the drive was partitioned in one computer doesn't mean another
computer will see the partitions.

Does the BIOS detect it as the correct size? Have you downloaded the
utilities from the hardware manufacturer and ran a test on the drive? Can
you Zero out the drive?
 
My original post to this group is pasted below. The installed Slave drive
is recognized in the BIOS and also in Device Manager (no conflicts); but it
doesn't show up so that it can be accessed. Under the "My Computer" page;
it shows Floppy (A) - HP_Pavilion (C) - Compact Disc (M) and
Control Panel (no letter). A search of "MyDocuments" folder, shows that
it is listed under the C: drive. What else should I be doing to make
this slave drive usable?
Click to expand...

What brand HDD is the original in the HP? Some, like Western
Digital, may have a separate jumper setting for Master vs. Single
drive (per channel). If that is the case, you may need change
the original drive's jumpers. If you just needed to copy off the
data, it might be easier to just rejumper the "new" old drive to
master (or single drive if it applies) and temporarily
disconnect the secondary IDE channel cable from the (optical
drives?) and attach cable only to this "new" old drive.



Before bothering with windows, confirm that bios detects the
drive. You might need to disable an HP POST logo or hit pause.
If it isn't seen, check whether the bios settings are correct,
presumably it should be set to "auto"

Can a Western Digital Caviar 31600-004 - l.6GB HDD with 4 partitions
(D, E, F and G) that is currently being used as a Slave in my older PC
(Win95) be installed as a Slave in my newer HP Pavilion XT952 PC (Win ME)
which has 256B memory and a 350W (noisy) PS; by just installing, leaving the
jumper setting to Slave and rebooting? My CD writer is set as "M".
Click to expand...

After BIOS is detecting drive, try booting to windows. If it's
not showing up in My Computer, see if it's present in Device
Manager.
 
Noozer said:
Sorry, didn't see ME mentioned.

Just because the drive was partitioned in one computer doesn't mean another
computer will see the partitions.
Click to expand...


Yes, I see that in - Programs/Accessories/SystemInfo - 1
partition only showing.

Does the BIOS detect it as the correct size? Have you downloaded the
utilities from the hardware manufacturer and ran a test on the drive? Can
you Zero out the drive?
Click to expand...


Yes the BIOS does detect correctly. Unfamiliar with the
Western Digital HD utilities. Went to their site and noticed quite a
few. Have you a suggestion as to which ones I might download and try?
Also, if 'zero out' the drive means wiping out the info on it; then that's
not what I had in mind.
 
kony said:
What brand HDD is the original in the HP? Some, like Western
Digital, may have a separate jumper setting for Master vs. Single
drive (per channel). If that is the case, you may need change
the original drive's jumpers.
Click to expand...

Western Digital #WD300AB-72BVA0 (30GB) It was originally
jumpered for 'Cable Select' and I changed it to pins 5-6 for 'Master'.
Made no difference. The Slave drive had only six pins and was already set
for 'Slave'.

If you just needed to copy off the
data, it might be easier to just rejumper the "new" old drive to
master (or single drive if it applies) and temporarily
disconnect the secondary IDE channel cable from the (optical
drives?) and attach cable only to this "new" old drive.
Click to expand...

Like that idea but, I need to utilize the drive and its' info.
Before bothering with windows, confirm that bios detects the
drive. You might need to disable an HP POST logo or hit pause.
If it isn't seen, check whether the bios settings are correct,
presumably it should be set to "auto"
Click to expand...

It is seen in the BIOS and it is set to 'auto' - Info Below

Type
AUTO
CHS Format
Cylinders
(3148) This is greyed out!
Heads
( 16)
Sectors
( 63)
Max.Capacity
1625mb
LBA Format
Total Sectors
3173184
Max.Capacity
1625mb
MultiMultiMM Multi-Sector Transfers
(16sectors) greyed out also
LBA Mode Control
(enabled) " " "
32 Bit I/O
(ENABLED)
Transfer Mode
(Fast P10 4) " " "
Ultra DMA Mode
(Disabled)
Smart Monitoring
(DISABLED)

After BIOS is detecting drive, try booting to windows. If it's
not showing up in My Computer, see if it's present in Device
Manager
Click to expand...

Not showing up in 'My Computer'.

In Device Manager - shows as: Generic IDE Disk Type02
Driver date
of June 8, 2000
No drivers
required
Int 15
 
Noozer said:
Sorry, didn't see ME mentioned.

Just because the drive was partitioned in one computer doesn't mean another
computer will see the partitions.
Click to expand...

NO, it almost always does mean that the partitions will be visible.
Does the BIOS detect it as the correct size? Have you downloaded the
utilities from the hardware manufacturer and ran a test on the drive? Can
you Zero out the drive?
Click to expand...

Sounds like he wants the data so zeroing would be a very bad idea.
 
John Imp said:
Yes, I see that in - Programs/Accessories/SystemInfo - 1
partition only showing.




Yes the BIOS does detect correctly. Unfamiliar with the
Western Digital HD utilities. Went to their site and noticed quite a
few. Have you a suggestion as to which ones I might download and try?
Click to expand...

None, yet.
 
John Imp said:
but

Western Digital #WD300AB-72BVA0 (30GB) It was originally
jumpered for 'Cable Select' and I changed it to pins 5-6 for 'Master'.
Made no difference. The Slave drive had only six pins and was already set
for 'Slave'.

If you just needed to copy off the

Like that idea but, I need to utilize the drive and its' info.


It is seen in the BIOS and it is set to 'auto' - Info Below

Type
AUTO
CHS Format
Cylinders
(3148) This is greyed out!
Heads
( 16)
Sectors
( 63)
Max.Capacity
1625mb
LBA Format
Total Sectors
3173184
Max.Capacity
1625mb
MultiMultiMM Multi-Sector Transfers
(16sectors) greyed out also
LBA Mode Control
(enabled) " " "
32 Bit I/O
(ENABLED)
Transfer Mode
(Fast P10 4) " " "
Ultra DMA Mode
(Disabled)
Smart Monitoring
(DISABLED)
Click to expand...

It may be a CHS issue. How was the HD setup in this regard on the original
system?
"Auto" might not be the correct choice.
 
Just because the drive was partitioned in one computer doesn't mean
another

NO, it almost always does mean that the partitions will be visible.
Click to expand...

Exactly - ALMOST

If the BIOS detects the drive but you can't read it then it almost certainly
is not using the same geometry to access the drive. If you need the data on
the drive the next choice is to put it back into the old computer. Then you
can find out what geometry was used or back the data up to another medium.
Sounds like he wants the data so zeroing would be a very bad idea.
Click to expand...

It would test the drive.

If the data is important it should be backed up elsewhere anyhow.
 
John said:
Western Digital #WD300AB-72BVA0 (30GB) It was originally
jumpered for 'Cable Select' and I changed it to pins 5-6 for 'Master'.
Made no difference. The Slave drive had only six pins and was
already set for 'Slave'.

If you just needed to copy off the

Like that idea but, I need to utilize the drive and its'
info.


It is seen in the BIOS and it is set to 'auto' - Info
Below

Type
AUTO
CHS
Format Cylinders
(3148) This is greyed out!
Heads
( 16)
Sectors
( 63)
Max.Capacity
1625mb
LBA
Format Total Sectors
3173184
Max.Capacity
1625mb
MultiMultiMM Multi-Sector Transfers
(16sectors) greyed out also
LBA Mode Control
(enabled) " " "
32 Bit I/O
(ENABLED)
Transfer Mode
(Fast P10 4) " " "
Ultra DMA Mode
(Disabled)
Smart Monitoring
(DISABLED)



Not showing up in 'My Computer'.

In Device Manager - shows as: Generic IDE Disk Type02

Driver date of June 8, 2000
No
drivers required
Int 15
Click to expand...

I'm guessing the disk was partitioned and formatted with a Linux distro
originally? This seems too much like a troll trick question to me.
 
Wacko.

Noozer said:
Exactly - ALMOST

If the BIOS detects the drive but you can't read it then it almost certainly
is not using the same geometry to access the drive. If you need the data on
the drive the next choice is to put it back into the old computer. Then you
can find out what geometry was used or back the data up to another medium.


It would test the drive.

If the data is important it should be backed up elsewhere anyhow.
Click to expand...
 
I'm guessing the disk was partitioned and formatted with a Linux distro
originally? This seems too much like a troll trick question to me.
Click to expand...


Actually, the technician used a 'Disk Manager' floppy program when he
originally partitioned it as a slave unit. Thanks guys for all your help;
much appreciated. I'll keep trying.
 
John said:
Actually, the technician used a 'Disk Manager' floppy program when he
originally partitioned it as a slave unit. Thanks guys for all
your help; much appreciated. I'll keep trying.
Click to expand...

And you only mention this now? Thought so, trick question.
 
Not sure of what is meant by 'trick question' - but if you have an answer to
my problem, please post it Thank you..
 
John said:
Actually, the technician used a 'Disk Manager' floppy program when he
originally partitioned it as a slave unit. Thanks guys for all your help;
much appreciated. I'll keep trying.
Click to expand...
'Disk Manager' is used when the BIOS will not accept large drives. It
puts a "pseudo BIOS" in track one, which must be evoked at boot-up.
You can get a program to remove the 'Disk Manager' from the WD site.
This may make the drive look like a drive partitioned by fdisk. The
safest way, if you want to preserve data, is to install the drive as
primary, boot from it, and transfer any needed data elsewhere. You can
then repartition the drive and start fresh. If the standard fdisk has
problems, use aefdisk /delall which will clear out all partitions,
including the stuff 'Disk Manager' puts in track one. Don't do this
until you've transfered any data you want to save.

If you had mentioned that the drive had been set up with 'Disk Manager',
you'd have gotten an answer a lot sooner. ;-)

Virg Wall
 
'Disk Manager' was only mentioned earlier because I came across some notes I
made when the HD was installed in 1997. (SORRY) I think most of you
realized that I'm 'walking on eggs' here.
VWWall and others, thanks for your responses, but I do have a couple of
questions.
#1. Will the programs from the WD site work even if the drive is not being
seen? Or should I do that after #2 below?
#2. Are you saying - make the current master (which has the OS on it) the
slave and make thecurrent (unrecognized) slave the master (primary)?
Will it boot up that way without changing something in the BIOS?
#3. Is there a program to transfer data?
..
 
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