About the stupidity at WD to pack Dos programs in Windows EXEs

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Wolfi

What kind of arrogant, ignorant and incompetent morons are making decisions
at Western Digital?

At http://support.wdc.com/download/ WD clearly states
"Data Lifeguard v11.0 for DOS"
http://support.wdc.com/download/dlg/dlgsetup11_dos.zip and
"DLG Diagnostic" http://support.wdc.com/download/dlg/dlgdiag11.zip
as opposed to
"Data Lifeguard Diagnostics - DLGDIAG for Windows"
http://support.wdc.com/download/windlg/windlg10.exe.

But after having downloaded both files for use in a Window$-free environment
and no intentional or accidental access to 32bit Windows, which I really
don't want to have, you'll find, that those programs announced to be used
with DOS, are packed not in a (possibly self extracting) Zip-file, as every
reasonable person would possibly choose to do for that purpose, oooohhh no,
but in a Win32 executable instead!!!!!!!!

Which sick moron did came up with this stupid idea???

If I would want to own and run Window$, I hardly would download programs
announced to be for DOS, would I.

So how are all those guys *not* running Window$ including myself, supposed
to finally peel those programs out of their Window$ file imprisonment?

Why bother at all to make non-Window$ versions available, when they
*require* access to a Window$ machine to be unpacked?

What kind of sick logic is this?
Is everybody lately in a corporate decision making position gone insane or
are there only stupid bureaucrats left, who don't have a clue of anything at
all?

I couldn't help myself but really had to let off some steam now ;-)

Wolfi
 
What kind of arrogant, ignorant and incompetent morons are making decisions
at Western Digital?

At http://support.wdc.com/download/ WD clearly states
"Data Lifeguard v11.0 for DOS"
http://support.wdc.com/download/dlg/dlgsetup11_dos.zip and
"DLG Diagnostic" http://support.wdc.com/download/dlg/dlgdiag11.zip
as opposed to
"Data Lifeguard Diagnostics - DLGDIAG for Windows"
http://support.wdc.com/download/windlg/windlg10.exe.

But after having downloaded both files for use in a Window$-free environment
and no intentional or accidental access to 32bit Windows, which I really
don't want to have, you'll find, that those programs announced to be used
with DOS, are packed not in a (possibly self extracting) Zip-file, as every
reasonable person would possibly choose to do for that purpose, oooohhh no,
but in a Win32 executable instead!!!!!!!!

Which sick moron did came up with this stupid idea???

If I would want to own and run Window$, I hardly would download programs
announced to be for DOS, would I.

So how are all those guys *not* running Window$ including myself, supposed
to finally peel those programs out of their Window$ file imprisonment?

Why bother at all to make non-Window$ versions available, when they
*require* access to a Window$ machine to be unpacked?

What kind of sick logic is this?
Is everybody lately in a corporate decision making position gone insane or
are there only stupid bureaucrats left, who don't have a clue of anything at
all?

I couldn't help myself but really had to let off some steam now ;-)

Wolfi
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It is kind of ironic, isn't it?

Here's an image of the floppy it creates, checked with rawrite,
worked:
http://69.36.189.159/usr_1034/dlg11.IMA


Dave
 
kony said:
It is kind of ironic, isn't it?

Here's an image of the floppy it creates, checked with rawrite,
worked:
http://69.36.189.159/usr_1034/dlg11.IMA
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Hey, that's something I call real help :-D
Is this the contents of dlgsetup11_dos.zip or of dlgsetup11_dos.zip?

Since I don't know either of those two programs yet, could you please also
make the other one available for me?

Thanks a lot.

Wolfi
 
What kind of arrogant, ignorant and incompetent morons are making decisions
at Western Digital?

At http://support.wdc.com/download/ WD clearly states
"Data Lifeguard v11.0 for DOS"
http://support.wdc.com/download/dlg/dlgsetup11_dos.zip and
"DLG Diagnostic" http://support.wdc.com/download/dlg/dlgdiag11.zip
as opposed to
"Data Lifeguard Diagnostics - DLGDIAG for Windows"
http://support.wdc.com/download/windlg/windlg10.exe.
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How are you finding those files?...by booting into a bare DOS system
and browsing the Net? lol

Mozilla for DOS maybe? lol


Have a nice week...

Trent

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!
 
Hey, that's something I call real help :-D
Is this the contents of dlgsetup11_dos.zip or of dlgsetup11_dos.zip?

Since I don't know either of those two programs yet, could you please also
make the other one available for me?
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Above linked image is from "dlgsetup11_dos.zip"
Following image is from "dlgdiag11.zip", which oddly enough, is not
v11, rather v5.03:

http://69.36.189.159/usr_1034/dlg503.IMA



Dave
 
Trent© said:
How are you finding those files?...by booting into a bare DOS system
and browsing the Net? lol

Mozilla for DOS maybe? lol
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Idiot.
In case you shouldn't have noticed, there are alternatives other than
Winblow$ to be used as OS on ones hardware and access the web.

If you believe it or not, there *still* isn't a law, forcing everybody to
use only Winblow$ to do so.

And btw. Why *not* using DOD to browse the web?
DR-DOS 7.3 and Arachne are making a nice, small, lean and fast couple and an
old 120MB HDD is large enough to hold it nicely and give enough room for
downloaded files.

Wolfi
 
In case you shouldn't have noticed, there are alternatives other than
Winblow$ to be used as OS on ones hardware and access the web.
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I never made any statement promoting Windows.
If you believe it or not, there *still* isn't a law, forcing everybody to
use only Winblow$ to do so.

And btw. Why *not* using DOD to browse the web?
DR-DOS 7.3 and Arachne are making a nice, small, lean and fast couple and an
old 120MB HDD is large enough to hold it nicely and give enough room for
downloaded files.

Wolfi
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I didn't know you were using those. Sorry. :)


Have a nice week...

Trent

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!
 
Trent© said:
I never made any statement promoting Windows.
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Not directly, but you asked:
" How are you finding those files?...by booting into a bare DOS system
and browsing the Net? lol

Mozilla for DOS maybe? lol"

Which doesn't leave much room for interpretation ;-)
I didn't know you were using those. Sorry. :)
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From time to time on an old 486 laptop with only 20MB of RAM. There this
combination is working excellent.

Usually I'm riding the waves of information with Warpspeed and OS/2.
And don't you dare to trying to ask: 'isn't this dead already since a long
time'? ;-)

Clear answer: definitely not. It found its niche and is very much alive there.
Have a nice week...
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You as well.

Wolfi
 
Not directly, but you asked:
" How are you finding those files?...by booting into a bare DOS system
and browsing the Net? lol

Mozilla for DOS maybe? lol"

Which doesn't leave much room for interpretation ;-)
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It leaves ENOUGH room. Even YOU suggested (above) that there are
other alternatives. Are you now saying that there AREN'T?

I can think of at least one.

From time to time on an old 486 laptop with only 20MB of RAM. There this
combination is working excellent.

Usually I'm riding the waves of information with Warpspeed and OS/2.
And don't you dare to trying to ask: 'isn't this dead already since a long
time'? ;-)

Clear answer: definitely not. It found its niche and is very much alive there.
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I know you wanted to rant...and that's fine. But I think you missed
my point. Let me state it succinctly...and take a few stabs that may
or may not be correct. Correct me where I'm wrong.

Yer runnin' Mozilla...so I'm gonna assume yer runnin' a 32-bit
environment. You then go to the WD site...and download the file.
What would prevent you from then running the .exe. You don't need to
be in bare DOS to do this...nor can you, as you mentioned. All it is
is a self-extracting file anyway. Extract it...create your
floppies...exit...boot into the floppy.

What did I get wrong?

I'm assuming, of course, that most folks don't browse the Net with a
DOS-driven browser. And I think that WD is assuming that also.

Anyway...last post by me on this.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!
 
Trent© said:
It leaves ENOUGH room. Even YOU suggested (above) that there are
other alternatives. Are you now saying that there AREN'T?

I can think of at least one.





I know you wanted to rant...and that's fine.
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Right, against WD.

But I think you missed
my point. Let me state it succinctly...and take a few stabs that may
or may not be correct. Correct me where I'm wrong.

Yer runnin' Mozilla...so I'm gonna assume yer runnin' a 32-bit
environment. You then go to the WD site...and download the file.
What would prevent you from then running the .exe.
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The fact, that I'm *not* running Windows and the .exe is a Windows .exe, is
preventing me from finally creating those floppies.

You don't need to
be in bare DOS to do this...nor can you, as you mentioned. All it is
is a self-extracting file anyway.
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NO, IT ISN'T. That's what the whole rant is about.

Extract it...create your
floppies...exit...boot into the floppy.

What did I get wrong?
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Simply get one of the 2 files and try to extract, unpack, unzip it or
whatever, other than actually *running* it on Windows.
This very quick will put you in a front row seat with my problem.
I'm assuming, of course, that most folks don't browse the Net with a
DOS-driven browser. And I think that WD is assuming that also.
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I agree, but then we are back at my initial post, that it is arrogant and
ignorant by WD to assume, that *everybody* is just having and running Windows.

Wolfi
 
You don't need to

NO, IT ISN'T. That's what the whole rant is about.

Extract it...create your

Simply get one of the 2 files and try to extract, unpack, unzip it or
whatever, other than actually *running* it on Windows.
This very quick will put you in a front row seat with my problem.
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That's exactly what I did...that's why I don't see the problem. The
floppies that I created I boot into. The diagnostic program...and the
program to change the ATA settings...are DOS programs.

I agree, but then we are back at my initial post, that it is arrogant and
ignorant by WD to assume, that *everybody* is just having and running Windows.
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We must have different downloads, Wolfi. I didn't have any problems.
I just copied the extracted files to the system floppy that I'd
created.

Anyway...last post by me on this...again! lol


Have a nice week...

Trent

Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!
 
We must have different downloads, Wolfi. I didn't have any problems.
I just copied the extracted files to the system floppy that I'd
created.
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How did you unzip them in the first place? You can't do it unless you have a
Windows computer!
 
Trent© said:
That's exactly what I did...that's why I don't see the problem. The
floppies that I created I boot into. The diagnostic program...and the
program to change the ATA settings...are DOS programs.
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To me it still is a miracle how you could be able to do so.
We must have different downloads, Wolfi. I didn't have any problems.
I just copied the extracted files to the system floppy that I'd
created.
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That appears to be the only possibility.
My Diag11.0.Dos.zip contains as sole file a 1.8MB file called DLGDiag.exe
The other zip archive DLGSetup11.0.zip contains a 1.8MB file called
Diskette.exe.
Both files have been downloaded by me last Saturday October, 25th.
(The zip archive names may not be exactly anymore as they are named at WD's
download site, since I modified them to names that make sense to *me*)

Both of these .exe files are not supposed to be put onto a floppy, which
would require a 2.88MB floppy anyway. They are the Kroll-Ontrack installer,
containing the bootable tool and diagnostic floppy image.

If you got different files, then indeed you got a different version.

I just learned about someone having started a thread about this issue now
directly in WD's very own web forum at:
http://websupport.wdc.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1800

Wolfi
 
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