About the stupidity at WD to pack Dos programs in Windows EXEs

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Wolfi

What kind of arrogant, ignorant and incompetent morons are making decisions
at Western Digital?

At http://support.wdc.com/download/ WD clearly states
"Data Lifeguard v11.0 for DOS"
http://support.wdc.com/download/dlg/dlgsetup11_dos.zip and
"DLG Diagnostic" http://support.wdc.com/download/dlg/dlgdiag11.zip
as opposed to
"Data Lifeguard Diagnostics - DLGDIAG for Windows"
http://support.wdc.com/download/windlg/windlg10.exe.

But after having downloaded both files for use in a Window$-free environment
and no intentional or accidental access to 32bit Windows, which I really
don't want to have, you'll find, that those programs announced to be used
with DOS, are packed not in a (possibly self extracting) Zip-file, as every
reasonable person would possibly choose to do for that purpose, oooohhh no,
but in a Win32 executable instead!!!!!!!!

Which sick moron did came up with this stupid idea???

If I would want to own and run Window$, I hardly would download programs
announced to be for DOS, would I.

So how are all those guys *not* running Window$ including myself, supposed
to finally peel those programs out of their Window$ file imprisonment?

Why bother at all to make non-Window$ versions available, when they
*require* access to a Window$ machine to be unpacked?

What kind of sick logic is this?
Is everybody lately in a corporate decision making position gone insane or
are there only stupid bureaucrats left, who don't have a clue of anything at
all?

I couldn't help myself but really had to let off some steam now ;-)

Wolfi
 
Wolfi,

Frankly, since the vast majority of people use "Window$", I'm pissed when a
company makes me use DOS. I'm even more angry when they want me to use a
floppy drive, speaking of obsolescence, since I stopped installing floppy
drives in my computers about 8 months ago. Addressing your complaint,
though, yes it is stupid, logically, to provide a DOS program that must be
unlocked through Windows, IF you ignore the fact that almost everyone uses
Windows and will be manipulating the DOS file as intended (i.e., Unzipping
it and making a bootable floppy).

W.D. is not being too arrogant by making the assumption that there are only
a relative handful of people that can access the internet without Windows;
they are, in fact, making a sound business decision.

Dave
 
If I would want to own and run Window$, I hardly would download programs
announced to be for DOS, would I.
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_________________________________________________________

Don't be so quick jumping to conclusions. I run WinXP and am quite
happy with it, but I have one old DOS program I run also, just because
for the purpose (decoding radio teletype) it is the best there is.
 
Wolfi,

Frankly, since the vast majority of people use "Window$", I'm pissed when a
company makes me use DOS. I'm even more angry when they want me to use a
floppy drive, speaking of obsolescence, since I stopped installing floppy
drives in my computers about 8 months ago. Addressing your complaint,
though, yes it is stupid, logically, to provide a DOS program that must be
unlocked through Windows, IF you ignore the fact that almost everyone uses
Windows and will be manipulating the DOS file as intended (i.e., Unzipping
it and making a bootable floppy).

W.D. is not being too arrogant by making the assumption that there are only
a relative handful of people that can access the internet without Windows;
they are, in fact, making a sound business decision.

Dave
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Just fixed a system.Locked out of BIOS.Couldn't access bootable
CDR.Thank F**K it had a floppy disk.
Re-flashed BIOS.
System saved :D
 
Wolfi said:
What kind of arrogant, ignorant and incompetent morons are making
decisions at Western Digital?
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The kind who seldom hear complaints from people who buy their
products.


I didn't understand whether you're running MSFT DOS or a clone, but if
you're instead running a UNIX clone, the "unzip" program will unzip
self-extracting ZIP files (.exe) for some MSFT OSes. The manual page
doesn't explicitly say it works for Windows .exe files, but it
mentions Win95 quite a bit, so it probably would handle them.
 
Wolfi said:
What kind of arrogant, ignorant and incompetent morons are making
decisions at Western Digital?
Click to expand...

The kind who seldom hear complaints from people who buy their
products.


I didn't understand whether you're running MSFT DOS or a clone, but if
you're instead running a UNIX clone, the "unzip" program will unzip
self-extracting ZIP files (.exe) for some MSFT OSes. The manual page
doesn't explicitly say it works for Windows .exe files, but it
mentions Win95 quite a bit, so it probably would handle them.
 
Wolfi,

Frankly, since the vast majority of people use "Window$", I'm pissed when a
company makes me use DOS.
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Well for flahing, if you are angry about using DOS then you're a ****in
moron. I wouldn't trust Windows to do the job properly unless hell
freezes over.
 
Dave said:
Wolfi,

Frankly, since the vast majority of people use "Window$", I'm pissed when a
company makes me use DOS. I'm even more angry when they want me to use a
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Teherefore there are the files intended to be used for Windows.
floppy drive, speaking of obsolescence, since I stopped installing floppy
drives in my computers about 8 months ago. Addressing your complaint,
though, yes it is stupid, logically, to provide a DOS program that must be
unlocked through Windows, IF you ignore the fact that almost everyone uses
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NO. What is about all the Linuxers, Unixer and still OS/2-eCS and also some
Dos/Win3.x users????
Windows and will be manipulating the DOS file as intended (i.e., Unzipping
it and making a bootable floppy).
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That's the problem. It's nothing to unzip. That's what I could do without
Window$. It's just another ****ing case, where Window$ pushes you against
the wall.
W.D. is not being too arrogant by making the assumption that there are only
a relative handful of people that can access the internet without Windows;
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They do, beacuase, as I pointed out, there is no logic at all in the way
they are offering these service programs.
 
W7TI said:
_________________________________________________________

Don't be so quick jumping to conclusions. I run WinXP and am quite
happy with it, but I have one old DOS program I run also, just because
for the purpose (decoding radio teletype) it is the best there is.
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And what does this has to do with my problem at hand?

Wolfi
 
Gary said:
The kind who seldom hear complaints from people who buy their
products.


I didn't understand whether you're running MSFT DOS or a clone, but if
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Neither nor, I'm running OS/2.
you're instead running a UNIX clone, the "unzip" program will unzip
self-extracting ZIP files (.exe) for some MSFT OSes. The manual page
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Exactly *that* is the problem. The DOS versions are *not* zipped archives.
It is a *Windows$* based program requiring Window$ to create the DOS floppies.
That's the bull I'm so angry about.

Wolfi
 
And what does this has to do with my problem at hand?
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_________________________________________________________

I was replying to your comment about Windows and DOS, not your "problem
at hand".
 
Dave said:
Wolfi,

Frankly, since the vast majority of people use "Window$", I'm pissed when
a
company makes me use DOS.
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Dumbass, these programs are for use on a fresh drive that DOESN'T have
windows installed yet. How are you supposed to use windows for this app
when this app has to be run BEFORE windows is installed?
 
Highjack.. cause yours was the only post that I could understand....what a stupid thread.... why would a HD manufacturers want to
tell you what operating system you have to use or what type file system.....???? give 10 disks or a CD ROM providing every OS
available?

programs are for use on a fresh drive that DOESN'T have
windows installed yet. How are you supposed to use windows for this app
when this app has to be run BEFORE windows is installed
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Exactly NEW drive NO OS no nada nothing zip zilch 0 well there are 0's and 1's for that matter but not in any order that can be
determined to be 'something'. I must be misunderstanding the OP
 
Dumbass, these programs are for use on a fresh drive that DOESN'T have
windows installed yet. How are you supposed to use windows for this app
when this app has to be run BEFORE windows is installed?
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Smartguy, because the VAST majority of people who build computers, using OEM
drives, which don't come with the DOS software, already have other computers
that are running Windows.

Davey
 
Well for flahing, if you are angry about using DOS then you're a ****in
moron. I wouldn't trust Windows to do the job properly unless hell
freezes over.
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Conney,

I've used Windows utilities to flash the BIOS on many computers and,
actually, I've had less trouble doing so than using the basic, non-Windows
utilities.

It's getting cold in here.

Cheers,

Dave
 
<Snip>

Dear Wolfi,

You made a lot of good points if you ignore the fact that Western Digital is
accurately assuming that the type of person who is downloading the program
knows or thinks near to nothing about non-Windows OS's and, therefore, is
going to use a separate, Windows endowed computer to turn the DOS file into
a bootable floppy.

Sorry, but you are in the minority, unaccounted for, and will have to make
do. Most people who buy OEM drives have the ability to make a DOS floppy
from within Windows. If you can't find a way around your problem, then I
suggest downloading a "trial" version of Windows from your favorite file
sharing network, so that you won't have to suffer the injustice of purca$ing
the program.

Cheers,

Dave

P.S. I'm not sure how it is Windows that is pushing you against a wall if
W.D. is doing the pushing, unless they are conspirators.
 
Conney,

I've used Windows utilities to flash the BIOS on many computers and,
actually, I've had less trouble doing so than using the basic, non-Windows
utilities.

It's getting cold in here.
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SAme here but only out of curiosity. TBH WinXP is getting better and I
"think" I'd probably trust it but you can't beat a good old bare DOS
boot.
 
Heh heh, now that's pretty funny!


What kind of arrogant, ignorant and incompetent morons are making decisions
at Western Digital?

At http://support.wdc.com/download/ WD clearly states
"Data Lifeguard v11.0 for DOS"
http://support.wdc.com/download/dlg/dlgsetup11_dos.zip and
"DLG Diagnostic" http://support.wdc.com/download/dlg/dlgdiag11.zip
as opposed to
"Data Lifeguard Diagnostics - DLGDIAG for Windows"
http://support.wdc.com/download/windlg/windlg10.exe.

But after having downloaded both files for use in a Window$-free environment
and no intentional or accidental access to 32bit Windows, which I really
don't want to have, you'll find, that those programs announced to be used
with DOS, are packed not in a (possibly self extracting) Zip-file, as every
reasonable person would possibly choose to do for that purpose, oooohhh no,
but in a Win32 executable instead!!!!!!!!

Which sick moron did came up with this stupid idea???

If I would want to own and run Window$, I hardly would download programs
announced to be for DOS, would I.

So how are all those guys *not* running Window$ including myself, supposed
to finally peel those programs out of their Window$ file imprisonment?

Why bother at all to make non-Window$ versions available, when they
*require* access to a Window$ machine to be unpacked?

What kind of sick logic is this?
Is everybody lately in a corporate decision making position gone insane or
are there only stupid bureaucrats left, who don't have a clue of anything at
all?

I couldn't help myself but really had to let off some steam now ;-)

Wolfi
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JAD said:
Highjack.. cause yours was the only post that I could understand....what a stupid thread.... why would a HD manufacturers want to
tell you what operating system you have to use or what type file system.....????
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Which part of "I need Windows to create bootable DOS floppies" don't you
understand? If those files are announced to be for *NON-Windows* systems to
create those bootable floppies, containing WD's DLG-tools, why then do they
*FORCE* me to *have* Windows to create them?????

Are you now able to follow?
give 10 disks or a CD ROM providing every OS
available?
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Aaahhh, so where does come the *free* version of Windows, which I need but
wouldn't want at all, just to get those ****ing 2 program files, to write
their contents to a floppy, which then would be a bootable DOS floppy with
the WD DLG-tools?

Wolfi

programs are for use on a fresh drive that DOESN'T have
windows installed yet. How are you supposed to use windows for this app
when this app has to be run BEFORE windows is installed
Click to expand...



Exactly NEW drive NO OS no nada nothing zip zilch 0 well there are 0's and 1's for that matter but not in any order that can be
determined to be 'something'. I must be misunderstanding the OP
Click to expand...
 
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