A7A266

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a very newbie on MoBo's. This board has never been updated. If i flash the
BIOS with V1012 i can
use up to a Athlon XP 2600+.
now the question is, if i wanted to use an even higher CPU, say a P4, but
keep all the same memory, cards, slots etc, what MoBo could i use?

all i want to do is take out old board, put in new board and upgraded cpu,
insert all cards etc that i
have and press the on button.

hope that makes sense
regards

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tigger said:
a very newbie on MoBo's. This board has never been updated. If i flash the
BIOS with V1012 i can
use up to a Athlon XP 2600+.
now the question is, if i wanted to use an even higher CPU, say a P4, but
keep all the same memory, cards, slots etc, what MoBo could i use?

all i want to do is take out old board, put in new board and upgraded cpu,
insert all cards etc that i
have and press the on button.

hope that makes sense
regards
I suspect, whichever board you get, you'll need to upgrade your memory
for the higher FSB. Possibly might also need a Video card if it's a 3.3
volt only model (or are you using a PCI card, you hadn't mentioned any
specs?)
Rob
 
I suspect, whichever board you get, you'll need to upgrade your memory for
the higher FSB. Possibly might also need a Video card if it's a 3.3 volt
only model (or are you using a PCI card, you hadn't mentioned any specs?)
Rob

sorry rob as i said a newbie when it comes to MOBO's. hope the following
helps.
regards


*Product Model : A7A266
*Motherboard Revision : A7A266 REV 1.x
*Motherboard BIOS Revision : 1004 04/30/2001

*VGA Card Vendor : NVIDIA
*VGA Card Model : GEFORCE MX400
*VGA Card Driver : nvidia 5.2.1.6

*CPU Vendor : amd
*CPU Type : socket A
*CPU Speed : 1.4

*Memory Model : DDR
*Memory Capacity : 768

Add-on Card Type : WIRELESS
Add-on Card Model : WG311T

*Operating System : WinXP

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"tigger" said:
a very newbie on MoBo's. This board has never been updated. If
i flash the BIOS with V1012 i can use up to a Athlon XP 2600+.
now the question is, if i wanted to use an even higher CPU, say
a P4, but keep all the same memory, cards, slots etc, what MoBo
could i use?

all i want to do is take out old board, put in new board and
upgraded cpu, insert all cards etc that i have and press the
on button.

hope that makes sense
regards

You picked the perfect motherboard to ask that question :-)
The A7A266 has both SDRAM and DDR RAM slots. You are trying
to preserve one or the other, but since you didn't mention
the RAM type...

I bought a P4B a few years back, as I wanted to preserve my
SDRAM. You'll need an older FSB400 S478 P4 processor to go with
that, and that means no Prescotts or Celeron-D processors.
The AGP slot is 1.5V only, so you cannot reuse a 3.3V only
video card. If your current video card supports at least
AGP 4X, it should be OK.

http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusupport/cpu_support_right.aspx?type=1&model_name=p4b&SLanguage=en-us

If you have DDR RAM, that means you get to move ahead one
generation. P4C800/P4P800 family or a P5P800 support DDR, and
are quite flexible about it. They are all AGP motherboards, but
again, no 3.3V-only video cards will work. The first pair of
motherboards are S478, and handle just about anything in
that form factor. The P5P800 is LGA775 socket, which is
the current generation of single core processors.

http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusuppo...=1&model_name=p4p800-e deluxe&SLanguage=en-us
http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusuppo...aspx?type=1&model_name=p5p800&SLanguage=en-us

Seriously, if you are planning on upgrading, I'd toss your
current RAM, and buy some DDR. (You are only going to find
the P4B board on Ebay, and finding a processor for it could
be a challenge as well. Powerleap.com might have a FSB400
processor, but it won't be cheap.)

The cheapest I see on Pricewatch, is $41 a stick for DDR
PC3200 512MB Elixir. Two of those sticks will be a good match
for a dual channel motherboard, and bring you a little further
along. (If you are using Win98/Win98SE, you might want to
investigate the memory limits of the OS, which is 512MB with
no problems whatsoever, and up to 1GB with a little fiddling
of the boot.ini .)

For a new P4 board, you'll need an ATX power supply with the
12V connector on it. The P4B motherboard has a disk drive
connector, that you can use as a substitute for the +12V
connector, if you don't want to buy a new power supply. But,
what you cannot avoid, is the power consumption spec - the
label on the power supply should say it can supply at least
12V @ 15A , as that is a good minimum rating for a computer
without a lot of "toys" installed in it. If you own eight
disk drives, you'll need more current than that.

And, to state the obvious, there are a lot of little gotchas
to watch for, when changing to a newer generation of hardware.
After all, the industry has strived hard, to make you throw
away as much hardware as they can manage. Once you have a
better idea of what you want to buy, download the PDF version
of the user manual, and read it. If you have any questions
about what you are seeing, post them here. That way, maybe
there'll be no surprises when the cardboard boxes arrive.

This page will tell you a lot about AGP, so you'll be able
to match up your video card with the motherboard:

http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcompat/agp.html

Paul
 
You picked the perfect motherboard to ask that question :-)
The A7A266 has both SDRAM and DDR RAM slots. You are trying
to preserve one or the other, but since you didn't mention
the RAM type...

http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusupport/cpu_support_right.aspx?type=1&model_name=p4b&SLanguage=en-us

If you have DDR RAM, that means you get to move ahead one
generation. P4C800/P4P800 family or a P5P800 support DDR, and
are quite flexible about it. They are all AGP motherboards, but
again, no 3.3V-only video cards will work. The first pair of
motherboards are S478, and handle just about anything in
that form factor. The P5P800 is LGA775 socket, which is
the current generation of single core processors.

http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusuppo...=1&model_name=p4p800-e deluxe&SLanguage=en-us
http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusuppo...aspx?type=1&model_name=p5p800&SLanguage=en-us

Seriously, if you are planning on upgrading, I'd toss your
current RAM, and buy some DDR. (You are only going to find
the P4B board on Ebay, and finding a processor for it could
be a challenge as well. Powerleap.com might have a FSB400
processor, but it won't be cheap.)

The cheapest I see on Pricewatch, is $41 a stick for DDR
PC3200 512MB Elixir. Two of those sticks will be a good match
for a dual channel motherboard, and bring you a little further
along. (If you are using Win98/Win98SE, you might want to
investigate the memory limits of the OS, which is 512MB with
no problems whatsoever, and up to 1GB with a little fiddling
of the boot.ini .)

For a new P4 board, you'll need an ATX power supply with the
12V connector on it. The P4B motherboard has a disk drive
connector, that you can use as a substitute for the +12V
connector, if you don't want to buy a new power supply. But,
what you cannot avoid, is the power consumption spec - the
label on the power supply should say it can supply at least
12V @ 15A , as that is a good minimum rating for a computer
without a lot of "toys" installed in it. If you own eight
disk drives, you'll need more current than that.

And, to state the obvious, there are a lot of little gotchas
to watch for, when changing to a newer generation of hardware.
After all, the industry has strived hard, to make you throw
away as much hardware as they can manage. Once you have a
better idea of what you want to buy, download the PDF version
of the user manual, and read it. If you have any questions
about what you are seeing, post them here. That way, maybe
there'll be no surprises when the cardboard boxes arrive.

This page will tell you a lot about AGP, so you'll be able
to match up your video card with the motherboard:

http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcompat/agp.html

Paul
tks for your input paul

as you MAY have noted am very newbie to this. whilst i did mention a P4 it
is not essential. perhaps i should have said an athlon 3200 or thereabouts.

ok, the ram is 184 pin 2.5v unbuffered ddr sdram.
and the video card is GEFORCE MX400 AGP 4X but i cant find the voltage.

regards



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*Put the cat out at night* when you reply

Leyburn - Gateway to Wensleydale
54.18.38N 01.49.50W SE111905
200M AMSL
 
"tigger" said:
as you MAY have noted am very newbie to this. whilst i did mention a P4 it
is not essential. perhaps i should have said an athlon 3200 or thereabouts.

ok, the ram is 184 pin 2.5v unbuffered ddr sdram.
and the video card is GEFORCE MX400 AGP 4X but i cant find the voltage.

regards

You could get an A7N8X-E Deluxe or an A7N8X-X board. I don't know what
performance level you'd get, if you are combining FSB400 processor
with DDR266 RAM. The boards have a selection of memory dividers, and
so it should be possible to run it with FSB400/DDR266. If you go with
the dual channel A7N8X-E , it might even manage to hide the fact that
the RAM is DDR266, by virtue of the two channels being more of a match
for the FSB400 processor interface.

2*DDR266*64bitsperDIMM ? FSB400*64bitdatabus A7N8X-E Deluxe when
equipped
4.2GB/sec > 3.2GB/sec with two matching
DIMMs, one
per channel

1*DDR266*64bitsperDIMM ? FSB400*64bitdatabus A7N8X-X has a single
data bus,
2.1GB/sec < 3.2GB/sec DDR266 would be slow.

In the case of using DDR400 RAM for the comparison, the upper case
becomes 6.4GB/sec > 3.2GB/sec and the lower case becomes
3.2GB/sec = 3.2GB/sec. Using two sticks of DDR400 RAM, makes the
two boards about equal. Using two sticks of DDR266 RAM, would make
the A7N8X-E outperform the A7N8X-X, as the memory subsystem has a
better balance between the RAM subsystem and the processor FSB.

So, if you keep your DDR266 (PC2100) RAM, and there are two
matched sticks of it, the reduced speed means there should be
no issues with the Nforce2. The fun begins if you are trying
FSB400 with DDR400 RAM speeds. At that speed, the Nforce2
becomes picky about the RAM is will use. That is when the
cursing begins. I fixed mine by using some CAS2 memory, but
there have been a couple of posts here, from people who got away
with using CAS3 rated memory at DDR400 rates.

In terms of purchasing a processor - have you decided where you
will find a 3200+ ? AMD stopped making them I believe, and
the Semprons are still being made instead. Actually, here is the
AMD price list:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_609,00.html?redir=CPT301

I only see the 2600+ Sempron listed for Socket A.

There is a secret though. If you cannot find a 3200+ AthlonXP, you
can use one of several AthlonXP-M processors, and set them up to
200x11 multiplier for the 2200MHz core clock of a 3200+. The XP-M
(mobile) processors are unlocked, so you can set the multiplier
yourself. The 3200+ would have had a locked multiplier (11x). The
XP-M adverts say they are FSB266, but because the silicon die is
a Barton, they are FSB400 capable. That is what I am using on my
A7N8X-E Deluxe.

Read the "reviews" link with each product, and see what kind of
core clock rate people have managed to get. I used a 2600+ XP-M
for mine, but with a slight bit extra Vcore, the other ones will
work as well. I don't really understand why these are still
available. (As I am in Canada, I cannot buy from Newegg, so I
got my processor from ncix.com in Canada. I have no idea if
anyone carries these in Europe.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ertycodevalue=507:6978&bop=and&InnerManu=1028

As a mobile doesn't come with a heatsink fan, if you don't like
your current heatsink/fan, you can fit a Zalman 7000 series
heatsink. (The only thing I cannot tell you about your purchase,
is what the warranty on one of these things is like. The
warranty terms are bound to be different, as the packaging
is not "retail".)

For a power supply for the A7N8X-E Deluxe, I recommend a 5V rating
of 25A, for a basic build. 5A of that is allocated for the video card,
but your video card probably uses more 3.3V than anything else.
The A7N8X-E doesn't use a lot of 12V current, and doesn't even have
that 2x2 plug. So, you might be able to reuse your current power
supply, if it has a generous +5V (and to a lesser extent 3.3V) current
rating.

You could also consider shopping for a Athlon64 board. You could
get an A8V Deluxe board, as it has an AGP slot, and it can even
run a dual core processor, if you wanted to get one at some
future date. The A8V Deluxe (socket 939) is dual channel, so with
the slow DDR memory, you could again get some benefit from dual
channel operation. That would bring you up to date, although a
S939 processor would be more expensive than what you had planned.

If you were willing to ditch the video card, you could look at
a PCI Express S939 motherboard as an option as well. These boards use
the 12V 2x2 power connector, so perhaps a new power supply would be
needed.

The S754 motherboards are good too, as one review site found slightly
better performance when comparing to S939. The problem with S754,
is the socket is already obsolete, so you would have few upgrade
opportunities in the future. If you weren't planning on upgrading
the board you buy, you could get a couple sticks of DDR400 memory,
and a S754 motherboard, and have a pretty good gaming system.

HTH,
Paul
 
Paul said:
You could get an A7N8X-E Deluxe or an A7N8X-X board. I don't know what
performance level you'd get, if you are combining FSB400 processor
with DDR266 RAM. The boards have a selection of memory dividers, and
so it should be possible to run it with FSB400/DDR266. If you go with
the dual channel A7N8X-E , it might even manage to hide the fact that
the RAM is DDR266, by virtue of the two channels being more of a match
for the FSB400 processor interface.

2*DDR266*64bitsperDIMM ? FSB400*64bitdatabus A7N8X-E Deluxe when
equipped
4.2GB/sec > 3.2GB/sec with two matching
DIMMs, one
per channel

1*DDR266*64bitsperDIMM ? FSB400*64bitdatabus A7N8X-X has a single
data bus,
2.1GB/sec < 3.2GB/sec DDR266 would be slow.

In the case of using DDR400 RAM for the comparison, the upper case
becomes 6.4GB/sec > 3.2GB/sec and the lower case becomes
3.2GB/sec = 3.2GB/sec. Using two sticks of DDR400 RAM, makes the
two boards about equal. Using two sticks of DDR266 RAM, would make
the A7N8X-E outperform the A7N8X-X, as the memory subsystem has a
better balance between the RAM subsystem and the processor FSB.

So, if you keep your DDR266 (PC2100) RAM, and there are two
matched sticks of it, the reduced speed means there should be
no issues with the Nforce2. The fun begins if you are trying
FSB400 with DDR400 RAM speeds. At that speed, the Nforce2
becomes picky about the RAM is will use. That is when the
cursing begins. I fixed mine by using some CAS2 memory, but
there have been a couple of posts here, from people who got away
with using CAS3 rated memory at DDR400 rates.

In terms of purchasing a processor - have you decided where you
will find a 3200+ ? AMD stopped making them I believe, and
the Semprons are still being made instead. Actually, here is the
AMD price list:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_609,00.html?redir=CPT301

I only see the 2600+ Sempron listed for Socket A.

There is a secret though. If you cannot find a 3200+ AthlonXP, you
can use one of several AthlonXP-M processors, and set them up to
200x11 multiplier for the 2200MHz core clock of a 3200+. The XP-M
(mobile) processors are unlocked, so you can set the multiplier
yourself. The 3200+ would have had a locked multiplier (11x). The
XP-M adverts say they are FSB266, but because the silicon die is
a Barton, they are FSB400 capable. That is what I am using on my
A7N8X-E Deluxe.

Read the "reviews" link with each product, and see what kind of
core clock rate people have managed to get. I used a 2600+ XP-M
for mine, but with a slight bit extra Vcore, the other ones will
work as well. I don't really understand why these are still
available. (As I am in Canada, I cannot buy from Newegg, so I
got my processor from ncix.com in Canada. I have no idea if
anyone carries these in Europe.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ertycodevalue=507:6978&bop=and&InnerManu=1028

As a mobile doesn't come with a heatsink fan, if you don't like
your current heatsink/fan, you can fit a Zalman 7000 series
heatsink. (The only thing I cannot tell you about your purchase,
is what the warranty on one of these things is like. The
warranty terms are bound to be different, as the packaging
is not "retail".)

For a power supply for the A7N8X-E Deluxe, I recommend a 5V rating
of 25A, for a basic build. 5A of that is allocated for the video card,
but your video card probably uses more 3.3V than anything else.
The A7N8X-E doesn't use a lot of 12V current, and doesn't even have
that 2x2 plug. So, you might be able to reuse your current power
supply, if it has a generous +5V (and to a lesser extent 3.3V) current
rating.

You could also consider shopping for a Athlon64 board. You could
get an A8V Deluxe board, as it has an AGP slot, and it can even
run a dual core processor, if you wanted to get one at some
future date. The A8V Deluxe (socket 939) is dual channel, so with
the slow DDR memory, you could again get some benefit from dual
channel operation. That would bring you up to date, although a
S939 processor would be more expensive than what you had planned.

If you were willing to ditch the video card, you could look at
a PCI Express S939 motherboard as an option as well. These boards use
the 12V 2x2 power connector, so perhaps a new power supply would be
needed.

The S754 motherboards are good too, as one review site found slightly
better performance when comparing to S939. The problem with S754,
is the socket is already obsolete, so you would have few upgrade
opportunities in the future. If you weren't planning on upgrading
the board you buy, you could get a couple sticks of DDR400 memory,
and a S754 motherboard, and have a pretty good gaming system.

HTH,
Paul

excellent paul. very useful gen

regards


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54.18.38N 01.49.50W SE111905
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