A step Backwards - BETA1 for Defender instead of BETA2 for MSA

[Guest]

I do not see the Defender is any advanced MSA. Instead I view Defender as a
NEW anti-spyware program. New interface, new search alogrithm, new
scheduler, etc. Why is this a BETA2. It is a BETA or BETA1 for the Defender
program.

I think the program is a step backwards from MSA. It is full of bugs,
autoscan, what about this ignoring MPCMDRUN popup, where id the history of
scans performed, excedpt for checking the Defender home screen how do a
know a scan was run and that that I have real time protection.


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Task schedule is set to automatic and the other automatic tasks on my
machine are all running. Face it Defender has a bug -- instead of looking for
a quick solution maybe MS should look for the problem and fix it.

I noticed that several people are having this prolem. In fact, some people
are getting the ballonn that scan has not not run in XX day because the
auto-schduler is not running.

Why did the MSA autoscan work on my machines last week and
Defender does not work?

How is MS verifying that the BETA 2 is working? The history does not give a
history of when the scan were run.

I would like to see a months worth of scan to verify what days the scans
were run. How do I know that last Monday a scan was run without a history of
scans?

Is the BETA2 creating history files or debug file you can send to MS them?

Why to I have to keep getting a balloon for MPCMDRUN each time I reboot?

It looks like from Beta1 to Beta 2 was too big a step.



Why did the MSA autoscan work great but defender does not run? (same machine
and same software)

 

[Guest]

In agreement totally I already remarked in another post ! I think they got
the numbers wrong and this is beta 1 whilst MSA was beta 2 !!

But in answer to one of your questions auto scheduler ! the previous working
version was almost a stand alone product and fonctioned ! now they
incorporated defender into windows schedule tasks, so that now has to
fonction, or no schedule scan, despite choosing a time etc ! within defender
! also they removed almost all the good points ! as you are finding, and
worse in my view incorporated the update into windows update system !

 

[Kes]

We are in complete agreement. See earlier posting titled
'I vote to downgrade WD it to 'Alpha 2'

 

[plun]

Hi

WD is a great application !

I personally wants a RTP-Real Time Protection instead of
"Scanning my PC to death".......... No meaning with all scans
if RTP is working as with WD, RTP works great !

It´s much more important to scan with antivirus programs beacuse
of nearly daily definition updates.

IMHO

 

[EApplegate]

Is the BETA2 creating history files or debug file you can send to MS
them?

Why to I have to keep getting a balloon for MPCMDRUN each time I
reboot?

It looks like from Beta1 to Beta 2 was too big a step.

I've yet to see either the Giant MS anti-spyware or the new program
actually find something questionable whereas Ad-Aware at least occasionally
finds a tracking cookie.

 

[Mike Chan [MSFT]]

I think if you guys give it a chance you'll see that it is a step up.

Events are now in the events log =) where it should be so just fire it up or
use your favorite events management log manager to get that info.

Windows Vista includes filters and searching into the events viewer which
makes it much easier to find out what's going on.

Also, the nightly scans are better than in MSAS. If you left your machine
off, MSAS would not scan at that time, and it would not tell you that it
missed those scans, so if you have it scheduled for 2am, but your computer
is off, a nightly scan would never happen.

Windows Defender will actually tell that you have not completed a nightly
scan because the computer was off and scan after a certain timeout. Along
with that, it will automatically clean those scans according to your presets
as a default.

The goal of Windows Defender is different than MSAS - you'll notice that
MSAS was a product that you had to keep managing on an ongoing basis. Why
should a customer have to spend time managing an antispyware product?
shouldn't it just protect you and take care of cleaning your machine? That's
the goal of Windows Defender. This is what we've heard from our customers
and is more similar to how they handle AV products as well.

You know Windows Defender is working if you don't have pop-ups, your machine
doesn't autostart weird applications you haven't heard of, and your machine
stays performant because spyware isn't slowing it down =)

That way, you can get back to using your computer for what you want, be it
browsing the web, playing a game or doing email - instead of babysitting an
antispyware product.

Mike

I've yet to see either the Giant MS anti-spyware or the new program
actually find something questionable whereas Ad-Aware at least
occasionally
finds a tracking cookie.

--
Mike Chan [MSFT]
Technical Product Manager
Windows Defender

This posting provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--

 

[plun]

Hi

One more religious "scanner" man ...........

RTP is the great benefit with this product.
I can scan with Adaware, Spybot, Ewido and so on.

But with a working RTP I don´t need so many scans !

Maybe within Vista and UAP turned on it complete different but
I don´t believe that users will have UAP turned on.
First thing i always switch off within Vista.



regards
plun

I think if you guys give it a chance you'll see that it is a step up.

Events are now in the events log =) where it should be so just fire it up or
use your favorite events management log manager to get that info.

Windows Vista includes filters and searching into the events viewer which
makes it much easier to find out what's going on.

Also, the nightly scans are better than in MSAS. If you left your machine
off, MSAS would not scan at that time, and it would not tell you that it
missed those scans, so if you have it scheduled for 2am, but your computer is
off, a nightly scan would never happen.

Windows Defender will actually tell that you have not completed a nightly
scan because the computer was off and scan after a certain timeout. Along
with that, it will automatically clean those scans according to your presets
as a default.

The goal of Windows Defender is different than MSAS - you'll notice that MSAS
was a product that you had to keep managing on an ongoing basis. Why should a
customer have to spend time managing an antispyware product? shouldn't it
just protect you and take care of cleaning your machine? That's the goal of
Windows Defender. This is what we've heard from our customers and is more
similar to how they handle AV products as well.

You know Windows Defender is working if you don't have pop-ups, your machine
doesn't autostart weird applications you haven't heard of, and your machine
stays performant because spyware isn't slowing it down =)

That way, you can get back to using your computer for what you want, be it
browsing the web, playing a game or doing email - instead of babysitting an
antispyware product.

Mike

I've yet to see either the Giant MS anti-spyware or the new program
actually find something questionable whereas Ad-Aware at least occasionally
finds a tracking cookie.

--
Mike Chan [MSFT]
Technical Product Manager
Windows Defender

This posting provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

 

[Guest]

Answers inline

I think if you guys give it a chance you'll see that it is a step up.

I gave it a chance and I didnt see a step up

Events are now in the events log =) where it should be so just fire it up or
use your favorite events management log manager to get that info.

Still a lot quicker to double click on the AS icon in the taskbar.

Windows Vista includes filters and searching into the events viewer which
makes it much easier to find out what's going on.

Irrelevant until Vista is in general circulation

Also, the nightly scans are better than in MSAS. If you left your machine
off, MSAS would not scan at that time, and it would not tell you that it
missed those scans, so if you have it scheduled for 2am, but your computer
is off, a nightly scan would never happen.

See I figured that one out all by myself and changed the scheduled time in
AS once and havent touched it since.

Windows Defender will actually tell that you have not completed a nightly
scan because the computer was off and scan after a certain timeout. Along
with that, it will automatically clean those scans according to your presets
as a default.

See above

The goal of Windows Defender is different than MSAS - you'll notice that
MSAS was a product that you had to keep managing on an ongoing basis. Why
should a customer have to spend time managing an antispyware product?
shouldn't it just protect you and take care of cleaning your machine? That's
the goal of Windows Defender. This is what we've heard from our customers
and is more similar to how they handle AV products as well.

I spend very little time managing AS. Just a quick double click on the
system icon tray once a week to check that takes all of 20 seconds and I can
seem to find that 20 seconds every week.

You know Windows Defender is working if you don't have pop-ups, your machine
doesn't autostart weird applications you haven't heard of, and your machine
stays performant because spyware isn't slowing it down =)

Yes but I have no idea it is running without checking the services or
checking the tasks running. Now I can see the system tray icon put my mouse
over it say its active all done.

That way, you can get back to using your computer for what you want, be it
browsing the web, playing a game or doing email - instead of babysitting an
antispyware product.

Mike

Give some users credit for having some knowledge dont treat every user as a
IT illiterate. I spend very little time managing by AS or AV at the moment
and have never had a problem with either so a statement like the one above
again is irrelavant to me. I will stick with AS Beta 1 until Microsoft treat
the users with the respect they deserve instead of this condesending BS.

Regards

Mark M

I've yet to see either the Giant MS anti-spyware or the new program
actually find something questionable whereas Ad-Aware at least
occasionally
finds a tracking cookie.

--
Mike Chan [MSFT]
Technical Product Manager
Windows Defender

This posting provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

 

[Kes]

Mike Chan says:

You know Windows Defender is working if you don't have pop-ups, your
machine doesn't autostart weird applications you haven't heard of,
and your machine stays performant because spyware isn't slowing it
down =)

That is great logic Mike!

You know, the above scenario is exactly how my computer currently
works - except I do not have WD installed (REMOVED it a month ago) and
I run Firefox instead of IE.

--
Kes
(no affiliations, no axes to grind)

I think if you guys give it a chance you'll see that it is a step up.

Events are now in the events log =) where it should be so just fire
it up or use your favorite events management log manager to get that
info.

Windows Vista includes filters and searching into the events viewer
which makes it much easier to find out what's going on.

Also, the nightly scans are better than in MSAS. If you left your
machine off, MSAS would not scan at that time, and it would not tell
you that it missed those scans, so if you have it scheduled for 2am,
but your computer is off, a nightly scan would never happen.

Windows Defender will actually tell that you have not completed a
nightly scan because the computer was off and scan after a certain
timeout. Along with that, it will automatically clean those scans
according to your presets as a default.

The goal of Windows Defender is different than MSAS - you'll notice
that MSAS was a product that you had to keep managing on an ongoing
basis. Why should a customer have to spend time managing an
antispyware product? shouldn't it just protect you and take care of
cleaning your machine? That's the goal of Windows Defender. This is
what we've heard from our customers and is more similar to how they
handle AV products as well.

You know Windows Defender is working if you don't have pop-ups, your
machine doesn't autostart weird applications you haven't heard of,
and your machine stays performant because spyware isn't slowing it
down =)

That way, you can get back to using your computer for what you want,
be it browsing the web, playing a game or doing email - instead of
babysitting an antispyware product.

Mike

I've yet to see either the Giant MS anti-spyware or the new program
actually find something questionable whereas Ad-Aware at least
occasionally
finds a tracking cookie.

--
Mike Chan [MSFT]
Technical Product Manager
Windows Defender

This posting provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

 

[Guest]

Mr Chan,
With all due respect give it a chance ? yes ! but tell us its a step forward
is ridiculous you took a very good piece of software beta 1 and ruined it !
it had been fonctioning without any problems on my machines for almost a
year! with only the minimal intervention, any body with common sense sets
thier machines to scan etc at a time the machine is on ! rather than during
the night when switched off ! It would appear your feed back ! on customer
needs comes from lazy IT managers, most likely the same ones who shout
because a virus gets into the system !
The large part of your customers want products that they can have confidence
in !
I'm not an anti microsoft and happy to test products that interest ! But
lets be fair you are advertising Defender on microsoft.com with the
impression its fully fonctional encouraging everybody to download !
I'm certain everybody who tested beta 1 expected better than this when it
was released ! I personally wasn't suprised to see a face lift, but I wasn't
expecting such a inept transformation of a potentialy super program. Its as
though Fords bought Harley Davidsons, then added a body, changed the handle
bars for a steering wheel, added two extra wheels for stabilty and advertised
it as a new Harley motor cycle !

Answers inline

I think if you guys give it a chance you'll see that it is a step up.

I gave it a chance and I didnt see a step up

Events are now in the events log =) where it should be so just fire it up or
use your favorite events management log manager to get that info.

Still a lot quicker to double click on the AS icon in the taskbar.

Windows Vista includes filters and searching into the events viewer which
makes it much easier to find out what's going on.

Irrelevant until Vista is in general circulation

Also, the nightly scans are better than in MSAS. If you left your machine
off, MSAS would not scan at that time, and it would not tell you that it
missed those scans, so if you have it scheduled for 2am, but your computer
is off, a nightly scan would never happen.

See I figured that one out all by myself and changed the scheduled time in
AS once and havent touched it since.

Windows Defender will actually tell that you have not completed a nightly
scan because the computer was off and scan after a certain timeout. Along
with that, it will automatically clean those scans according to your presets
as a default.

See above

The goal of Windows Defender is different than MSAS - you'll notice that
MSAS was a product that you had to keep managing on an ongoing basis. Why
should a customer have to spend time managing an antispyware product?
shouldn't it just protect you and take care of cleaning your machine? That's
the goal of Windows Defender. This is what we've heard from our customers
and is more similar to how they handle AV products as well.

I spend very little time managing AS. Just a quick double click on the
system icon tray once a week to check that takes all of 20 seconds and I can
seem to find that 20 seconds every week.

You know Windows Defender is working if you don't have pop-ups, your machine
doesn't autostart weird applications you haven't heard of, and your machine
stays performant because spyware isn't slowing it down =)

Yes but I have no idea it is running without checking the services or
checking the tasks running. Now I can see the system tray icon put my mouse
over it say its active all done.

That way, you can get back to using your computer for what you want, be it
browsing the web, playing a game or doing email - instead of babysitting an
antispyware product.

Mike

Give some users credit for having some knowledge dont treat every user as a
IT illiterate. I spend very little time managing by AS or AV at the moment
and have never had a problem with either so a statement like the one above
again is irrelavant to me. I will stick with AS Beta 1 until Microsoft treat
the users with the respect they deserve instead of this condesending BS.

Regards

Mark M

Is the BETA2 creating history files or debug file you can send to MS
them?

Why to I have to keep getting a balloon for MPCMDRUN each time I
reboot?

It looks like from Beta1 to Beta 2 was too big a step.


I've yet to see either the Giant MS anti-spyware or the new program
actually find something questionable whereas Ad-Aware at least
occasionally
finds a tracking cookie.

--
Mike Chan [MSFT]
Technical Product Manager
Windows Defender

This posting provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

 

[Guest]

I agree! Give me MS AntiSpyware BETA 2, not a stripped down Windows Defender!

Mr Chan,
With all due respect give it a chance ? yes ! but tell us its a step forward
is ridiculous you took a very good piece of software beta 1 and ruined it !
it had been fonctioning without any problems on my machines for almost a
year! with only the minimal intervention, any body with common sense sets
thier machines to scan etc at a time the machine is on ! rather than during
the night when switched off ! It would appear your feed back ! on customer
needs comes from lazy IT managers, most likely the same ones who shout
because a virus gets into the system !
The large part of your customers want products that they can have confidence
in !
I'm not an anti microsoft and happy to test products that interest ! But
lets be fair you are advertising Defender on microsoft.com with the
impression its fully fonctional encouraging everybody to download !
I'm certain everybody who tested beta 1 expected better than this when it
was released ! I personally wasn't suprised to see a face lift, but I wasn't
expecting such a inept transformation of a potentialy super program. Its as
though Fords bought Harley Davidsons, then added a body, changed the handle
bars for a steering wheel, added two extra wheels for stabilty and advertised
it as a new Harley motor cycle !

Answers inline

I think if you guys give it a chance you'll see that it is a step up.

I gave it a chance and I didnt see a step up

Events are now in the events log =) where it should be so just fire it up or
use your favorite events management log manager to get that info.

Still a lot quicker to double click on the AS icon in the taskbar.

Windows Vista includes filters and searching into the events viewer which
makes it much easier to find out what's going on.

Irrelevant until Vista is in general circulation

Also, the nightly scans are better than in MSAS. If you left your machine
off, MSAS would not scan at that time, and it would not tell you that it
missed those scans, so if you have it scheduled for 2am, but your computer
is off, a nightly scan would never happen.

See I figured that one out all by myself and changed the scheduled time in
AS once and havent touched it since.

Windows Defender will actually tell that you have not completed a nightly
scan because the computer was off and scan after a certain timeout. Along
with that, it will automatically clean those scans according to your presets
as a default.

See above

The goal of Windows Defender is different than MSAS - you'll notice that
MSAS was a product that you had to keep managing on an ongoing basis. Why
should a customer have to spend time managing an antispyware product?
shouldn't it just protect you and take care of cleaning your machine? That's
the goal of Windows Defender. This is what we've heard from our customers
and is more similar to how they handle AV products as well.

I spend very little time managing AS. Just a quick double click on the
system icon tray once a week to check that takes all of 20 seconds and I can
seem to find that 20 seconds every week.

You know Windows Defender is working if you don't have pop-ups, your machine
doesn't autostart weird applications you haven't heard of, and your machine
stays performant because spyware isn't slowing it down =)

Yes but I have no idea it is running without checking the services or
checking the tasks running. Now I can see the system tray icon put my mouse
over it say its active all done.

That way, you can get back to using your computer for what you want, be it
browsing the web, playing a game or doing email - instead of babysitting an
antispyware product.

Mike

Give some users credit for having some knowledge dont treat every user as a
IT illiterate. I spend very little time managing by AS or AV at the moment
and have never had a problem with either so a statement like the one above
again is irrelavant to me. I will stick with AS Beta 1 until Microsoft treat
the users with the respect they deserve instead of this condesending BS.

Regards

Mark M

Is the BETA2 creating history files or debug file you can send to MS
them?

Why to I have to keep getting a balloon for MPCMDRUN each time I
reboot?

It looks like from Beta1 to Beta 2 was too big a step.


I've yet to see either the Giant MS anti-spyware or the new program
actually find something questionable whereas Ad-Aware at least
occasionally
finds a tracking cookie.

--
Mike Chan [MSFT]
Technical Product Manager
Windows Defender

This posting provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.