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Ok, I'm currently running a Tyan based 933 P3 with 98 SE. I know this is a
glimpse into the stone age but bear with me. I'm thinking of upgrading to XP
Home and I'm wondering about application compatability. I've read some of the
info here and it seems that the app compatability wizard might help resolve
potential issues. I mean, what's the point of upgrading if nothings going to
run.


Any thoughts or advice?
 
Ironnthunder said:
Ok, I'm currently running a Tyan based 933 P3 with 98 SE. I know this is a
glimpse into the stone age but bear with me. I'm thinking of upgrading to XP
Home and I'm wondering about application compatability. I've read some of the
info here and it seems that the app compatability wizard might help resolve
potential issues. I mean, what's the point of upgrading if nothings going to
run.


Any thoughts or advice?


Windows XP Upgrade Advisor
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/upgrading/advisor.mspx

Have you verified that all of your PC's hardware components are
capable of supporting WinXP? This information will be found at the PC's
manufacturer's web site, and on Microsoft's Windows Catalog:
(http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hcl/default.mspx)

You should also take a few minutes to ensure that there are
WinXP-specific device drivers available for all of the machine's
components. There may not be, if the PC was specifically designed for
Win98/Me. Also bear in mind that PCs designed for, sold and run fine
with Win9x/Me very often do not meet WinXP's much more stringent
hardware quality requirements. This is particularly true of many early
models in Compaq's consumer-class Presario product line or HP's
consumer-class Pavilion product line. WinXP, like WinNT and Win2K
before it, is quite sensitive to borderline defective or substandard
hardware (particularly motherboards, RAM and hard drives) that will
still support Win9x.

HOW TO Prepare to Upgrade Win98 or WinMe
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q316639

Upgrading to Windows XP
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpupgrad.htm


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Ironnthunder said:
Ok, I'm currently running a Tyan based 933 P3 with 98 SE. I know this is a
glimpse into the stone age but bear with me. I'm thinking of upgrading to XP
Home and I'm wondering about application compatability. I've read some of the
info here and it seems that the app compatability wizard might help resolve
potential issues. I mean, what's the point of upgrading if nothings going to
run.


Any thoughts or advice?

Make sure you have enough ram(at least 512mb)
Make a backup of ALL important files!
You should think about doing a clean install.
Most of the programs I used on 98 were able to run on XP,using the
wizard(but not all).

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I went from Windows 98SE to Windows XP Professional and had a problem
running Parsons Address Book Deluxe ver 6a. By selecting properties and
running the program in Windows 98 mode solved the problem except for the
function clicking on an icon to e-mail. Never used it in the past so no
problem now.

XP is much better than 98; go for it.
 
Definitely run the Upgrade Advisor, free from Microsoft ! It helped me
upgrade an ancient Pentium II 450MHz box to XP. Take very seriously all
things that it flags as potential problems.

Some general things to do/consider:

Plan on uninstalling all antivirus and near-system-level software, such as
all Norton, McAfee, etc. Then, plan on installing XP compatible versions.
Even if you already have XP compatible version, you have to do the
uninstall/re-install, since such software senses the operating system and
installs different DLLs and EXEs.

Plan on uninstall all CD/DVD writing software, then installing an XP
compatible version. Again, plan on the uninstall/reinstall, even if the
current version is supposed to be XP compatible. Install only one CD/DVD
writing software.

If possible, add RAM. XP loves RAM, and runs much better with more. I have
run XP on as little as 128 Meg, but have found that 256 Meg works a lot
better, and even 1Gig is not too much, if you intend to do digital image
processing or video processing. One caution: 98 has issues with 512 Meg or
more, although there is a work-around:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/253912

Alternatively, you can always add RAM after installing XP, but before
activation, since changing RAM counts against you in the activation scheme.
Also, be sure to check the PC/motherboard limitations on RAM. Many have
limits well below what XP can handle. My old PC could only handle 386 Meg.

If you have Office 97, at least SP-2, then it will work with XP. However,
the associated Outlook 97 will no longer work, and there is no patch. XP
does come with Outlook Express, and that may serve your needs (if you use
Outlook at all). Or, you can buy Office XP or 2003, which come with the
full Outlook, and which work with XP.

As for hard drive space, XP uses a lot more than 98. My C:\Windows
directory is now over 4.5 Gig. And, that does not include any pagefile or
hiberfil or Documents and Settings. If you do not have at least 8 Gig free,
upgrade your hard drive before installing XP. Note that upgrading a hard
drive under 98 is somewhat simpler than under XP, since there is no product
activation under 98, and 98 uses FAT32, which is supported by more cloning
software. However, the maximum hard drive that 98 can handle is about 127
Gig, assuming that the PC's BIOS can handle even that.

If you currently have one big C: drive, containing 98, programs, and
personal data, consider taking this opportunity to separate the data from
the operating system and programs. This can easily be done as part of a
hard drive upgrade. Just make two partitions on the new drive, then clone
the old C: to the first partition. Remove old drive, place new drive on
master position on cable (and set jumpers to master), then boot into 98.
From within 98 cut&past personal file to the second partition. When you
upgrade to XP it should only change things on the first partition, the one
with 98 on it.

Assuming that you install from an XP CD with SP-2 already included, this
will give you the XP firewall. While not the world's best, it is much
better than nothing. Do not turn it off until after you have installed a
better firewall (e.g., Zone Alarm free version).

If you have any encrypted files or directories, un-encrypt them before
upgrading, or they may be unreadable after the upgrade.

Ditto for compressed files and directories, unless they are simple WINZIP
type archives.

Download XP-compatible drivers for all hardware. Save them in some
easy-to-access place on your hard drive, like C:\new_drivers. If you are
lucky, the XP default drivers will work for everything, or at least provide
minimal function. You can then decide whether you need/want to upgrade for
more/better functionality. See note on automatic updates, next.

XP has a feature to automatically find and install updates. I recommend
changing this to find and notify, but not auto-install. However, soon after
installing XP you will want to perform a manual update. At first, just get
the "critical" updates. Then, think about the others, which often include
newer drivers. While nothing is 100% safe, getting drivers via XP update is
often less risky than getting them by other means.

When you are ready to upgrade to XP, power off and disconnect all optional
peripherals, such as printers, scanners, cameras, pen drives, USB drives,
etc. After a successfully installation of XP, re-connect these devices one
at a time. XP should sense new hardware, identify it, install drivers, and
say that the new hardware is ready to use. If you get an error, then you
probably need XP-compatible drivers. If none exist, then you need to get
new hardware (mostly a problem with very old printers). Unlike 98, XP does
not usually need any drivers for simple USB devices like hard drives or pen
drives.

Scanners require both drivers and scanning software. In the case of my
HP6200C, the default drivers seemed to work, but I needed to get new
software. Fortunately HP offered such software as a free update.

Backup all personal files off of the PC, just in case something goes wrong !

Note: The PC will run a bit slower with XP than with 98, but it should be
more stable and will be able to handle more modern software and hardware.

Good luck.
 
Ironnthunder said:
Ok, I'm currently running a Tyan based 933 P3 with 98 SE. I know this
is a glimpse into the stone age but bear with me. I'm thinking of
upgrading to XP Home and I'm wondering about application
compatability. I've read some of the info here and it seems that the
app compatability wizard might help resolve potential issues. I mean,
what's the point of upgrading if nothings going to run.


By all means run the wizard, but be aware that *most* Windows 98-era
programs run fine on Windows XP. What you are most likely to have issues
with are utility programs.

Two other points:

1. Be sure you have enough RAM. XP needs significantly more than 98. How
much RAM you need depends on what apps you run, but almost nobody will be
satisfied with less than 256MB. Some people (but not all) will find
significant performance gains by going as high as 512MB, and even higher if
you do graphics or video editing.

2. Be aware that some people will try to convince you that a clean
installation instead of an upgrade is much better. My advice is exactly the
opposite. Unlike with previous versions of Windows, an upgrade to XP
replaces almost everything, and usually works very well.

My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much easier
than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and reinstall
cleanly if problems develop.

However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need to
backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to upgrade, it's
always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden power loss can occur
in the middle of it and cause the loss of everything. For that reason you
should make sure you have backups and anything else you need to reinstall if
the worst happens.
 
Ironnthunder said:
Ok, I'm currently running a Tyan based 933 P3 with 98 SE. I know this is a
glimpse into the stone age but bear with me. I'm thinking of upgrading to
XP
Home and I'm wondering about application compatability. I've read some of
the
info here and it seems that the app compatability wizard might help
resolve
potential issues. I mean, what's the point of upgrading if nothings going
to
run.


Any thoughts or advice?
Why not wait a few days for Vista?!
Suggest you buy a new machine, maybe on Ebay.
-Pete
 
Why not wait a few days for Vista?!


And run it on his 933MHz P3?

Suggest you buy a new machine, maybe on Ebay.


Certainly a new machine would be required, but that's a very expensive
suggestion for someone who is just looking to upgrade his operating system.

Also note that this is someone who is concerned about application
compatibility with his older applications. Going to Vista would exacerbate
that situation.
 
Ken Blake said:
And run it on his 933MHz P3?




Certainly a new machine would be required, but that's a very expensive
suggestion for someone who is just looking to upgrade his operating
system.

Also note that this is someone who is concerned about application
compatibility with his older applications. Going to Vista would exacerbate
that situation.
Agreed. We don't always need the latest and greatest.
BTW, I have a flatbed scanner using Visioner that will only work with 98se.
-Pete
 
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