810 chipset vs 815 chipset?

[Bluebird]

Im trying to find a mobo for a celeron 1.4 ghz. I have found an online retailer that has motherboards using both the 810 and
815 chipsets. I want to get an intel based motherboard, but not sure which of these chipsets is better. any problems with
either I should know about?

 

[DanO]

810 = NO AGP Slot, Value Minded Motherboard

815 = AGP Slot (usually), higher performance motherboard

Im trying to find a mobo for a celeron 1.4 ghz. I have found an online

retailer that has motherboards using both the 810 and

815 chipsets. I want to get an intel based motherboard, but not sure which

of these chipsets is better. any problems with

 

[husker]

Cool, thanks for the info. Is it safe to assume that any 815 motherboard can handle a 1.4ghz celeron?

 

[Isabella]

you must find 815T chipset that supports Tualatin cpu, 1,2 to 1,4 are
tualatin core based cpus and only intel bx chipset with appropriate slotket
(only cpu with 100MHz fsb) adapter or 815T wil work with them
Good Luck
Isabella

Im trying to find a mobo for a celeron 1.4 ghz. I have found an online

retailer that has motherboards using both the 810 and

815 chipsets. I want to get an intel based motherboard, but not sure which

of these chipsets is better. any problems with

 

[husker]

Thanks for the info. Are there any other INTEL chipsets other than the 815T that support the celly 1.4?

 

[Ayoub]

I used to use a 1.4GHz celeron on a p3b-f version 1.04 using a slot T
adapter.
that board has a bx chipset
cheers

Thanks for the info. Are there any other INTEL chipsets other than the

815T that support the celly 1.4?

 

[Stephan Grossklass]

Thanks for the info. Are there any other INTEL chipsets other than the 815T that support the celly 1.4?

Officially and out of the box, I suppose? NAFAIK, apart from some
i810e/e2 versions (but who'd want to use these?). BTW the exact chipset
to look for is the i815 (in whatever version) with B0 stepping
(frequently also called B-step).

Stephan

 

[Paul]

Im trying to find a mobo for a celeron 1.4 ghz. I have found
an online retailer that has motherboards using both the 810 and
815 chipsets. I want to get an intel based motherboard, but not
sure which of these chipsets is better. any problems with
either I should know about?

Another aspect of the motherboard you might want to investigate
is the maximum amount of ram that can be installed on the
board. Non-Intel based motherboards frequently offer larger
maximum capacities for memory - but, the gotcha is that some
of these non-Intel based boards have flaky AGP slot designs,
so some percentage of boards will keep having video crashes.

So, if you buy a Via, Ali, or SIS based board from that era,
you never know for certain whether the board they ship to you
will have a stable AGP slot. If you decide to go that route,
buy your motherboard locally, and if there is trouble, you
can easily return it for another one.

You can put 1GB of memory unofficially on a 440BX based board
(just shop at Crucial and use their memory selector to get the
correct type of SDRAM memory). On a 440BX based board with four
DIMM slots, you could run 4x256MB at 100MHz memory clock speed,
or you can run 3x256MB at 133MHz memory clock speed. YMMV.
Not all of the 440BX boards can do 133MHz (due to limitations
on the clock generator chip and not the chipset). A frequent
poster in this group runs 440BX based boards at 150MHz, so the
Northbridge itself is capable of great things.

Given what I now know, I'd find a 440BX board, and depending on
what kind of socket it has on it (slot 1 or S370), buy an adapter
to use with the Tualatin. You might even want to look at some
non-Asus boards with 440BX on them, because some of them can be
overclocked quite well. (In the case of Abit, watch out for bad
caps if buying second hand.)

http://homepage.hispeed.ch/rscheidegger/p2b_procupgrade_faq.html
http://www.tipperlinne.com/p2bmod.htm

Also, you should evaluate your purchase in terms of how large
an IDE drive it supports. These three links are in reverse
chronological order (oldest boards are covered by the last link).
If the motherboard doesn't support large disks, you might want to
buy a Promise ATA133 IDE card to plug into your new motherboard.

http://www.asus.it/support/english/techref/48bithdd/index.aspx (modern)
http://www.asuscom.de/support/FAQ/faq076_32gb_ide_hdd.htm (older)
http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/k6plus.htm (patched BIOS)

HTH,
Paul

 

[DanO]

No, not all 815's can handle a Tualatin Celly. There was a revision of the
815 that added Tualatin support. I wouldn't bother trying to make a BX
based board work, unless you already have one laying around. Find a proper
Socket370 board with the 815T chipset and you'll be set.

Cool, thanks for the info. Is it safe to assume that any 815 motherboard can handle a 1.4ghz celeron?

 

[Ron]

Another aspect of the motherboard you might want to investigate
is the maximum amount of ram that can be installed on the
board. Non-Intel based motherboards frequently offer larger
maximum capacities for memory - but, the gotcha is that some
of these non-Intel based boards have flaky AGP slot designs,
so some percentage of boards will keep having video crashes.

So, if you buy a Via, Ali, or SIS based board from that era,
you never know for certain whether the board they ship to you
will have a stable AGP slot. If you decide to go that route,
buy your motherboard locally, and if there is trouble, you
can easily return it for another one.

You can put 1GB of memory unofficially on a 440BX based board
(just shop at Crucial and use their memory selector to get the
correct type of SDRAM memory). On a 440BX based board with four
DIMM slots, you could run 4x256MB at 100MHz memory clock speed,
or you can run 3x256MB at 133MHz memory clock speed. YMMV.
Not all of the 440BX boards can do 133MHz (due to limitations
on the clock generator chip and not the chipset). A frequent
poster in this group runs 440BX based boards at 150MHz, so the
Northbridge itself is capable of great things.

Given what I now know, I'd find a 440BX board, and depending on
what kind of socket it has on it (slot 1 or S370), buy an adapter
to use with the Tualatin. You might even want to look at some
non-Asus boards with 440BX on them, because some of them can be
overclocked quite well. (In the case of Abit, watch out for bad
caps if buying second hand.)

http://homepage.hispeed.ch/rscheidegger/p2b_procupgrade_faq.html
http://www.tipperlinne.com/p2bmod.htm

Also, you should evaluate your purchase in terms of how large
an IDE drive it supports. These three links are in reverse
chronological order (oldest boards are covered by the last link).
If the motherboard doesn't support large disks, you might want to
buy a Promise ATA133 IDE card to plug into your new motherboard.

http://www.asus.it/support/english/techref/48bithdd/index.aspx (modern)
http://www.asuscom.de/support/FAQ/faq076_32gb_ide_hdd.htm (older)
http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/k6plus.htm (patched BIOS)

HTH,
Paul

Well said, Paul. The Tualatin Celeron at 1.4 GHz is an excellent
choice for those BX boards that can do the voltage. I have not tried
the Powerleap adapter but see many posts talking about them. Do you
have any experience with these?

If I recall correctly the 815 chipsets only support 512 meg of ram.
So, as you said the use of a BX board allows for more memory.

I have recently been experimenting with a Tualatin 1.4 with 512k cache
on a P3BF using an Upgradeware Slot-T adapter. This motherboard must
be a particularly good one, as I am able to use four 256 meg dimms and
run at 133MHz FSB with no problems so far. Quite a bit more expensive
than the Celeron but should offer a performance boost with the larger
cache. We'll see how it goes.

 

[Stephan Grossklass]

I have recently been experimenting with a Tualatin 1.4 with 512k cache

PIII-S, nice.

on a P3BF using an Upgradeware Slot-T adapter. This motherboard must
be a particularly good one, as I am able to use four 256 meg dimms and
run at 133MHz FSB with no problems so far.

This is an excellent result, normally one doesn't get a lot past 100 MHz
with 4 doublesided DIMMs on a BX board. What kind of modules do you use?
As for a stability test, I recommend CPUBurn (originally written for
Linux, but also available for Windows). This little package comes with
an app called burnbx.exe which has been serving me well in discovering
instabilities. If that terminates within one or two minutes, you've got
some general stability issue. If it runs for ages, then probably not
(but it doesn't say anything about RAM errors in ranges it didn't run
in).

Quite a bit more expensive
than the Celeron but should offer a performance boost with the larger
cache.

I think the higher FSB should be of yet greater effect. Coppermine PIIIs
and Tualatin Celerons are pretty much bandwidth starved with multipliers
of more than 10x.

We'll see how it goes.

Pretty fast, that's for sure - should be at least the equivalent of a P4
1.6A box. You might want to drop in a SATA controller and a 74 gig WD
Raptor - though not quite cheap, the system will certainly fly with that
(given the 74 gig Raptor scores as high as current 15k SCSI drives in
desktop application benchmarks, plus offers excellent noise levels and
no more than 7200rpm-class heat dissipation).

While we're at chipsets, the difference in performance between the
i440LX and i440BX is literally night and day. The BX is at least 50%
faster in memory intensive tasks - my Mozilla 1.5 startup time (with no
part of it in the disk cache yet) dropped from 13 seconds to a mere 8.5
seconds, the restarting time from the disk cache from 7 to 5.25 seconds,
AIDA32 also launches much faster, and all that just due to a board
change from a P2L97-DS to a P2B-D.

Stephan

 

[Ron]

Stephan,

These are Mushkin Rev2 dimms. The best I can tell there are Infineon
HYB39S128800CT-7 chips on them.

I am not particularly into performance comparisons but it seems to be
quite a bit more responsive than even the 1GHz 100FSB Coppermine I had
in there before, but I certainly expected it to be. All other hardware
and settings remain the same.

I don't have any real hi-speed devices, just a Promise ATA100
controller with 2 Seagate 40GB 7200 rpm drives, a 64MB Radeon 8500
video card, and the usual typical desktop office computer bits and
pieces. Most of my work involves database and spreadsheet data
manipulation.

I will try to post any future developments as time permits.

 

[John]

They are both a piece of shit. Also, 820 was a piece of shit.

Im trying to find a mobo for a celeron 1.4 ghz. I have found an online

retailer that has motherboards using both the 810 and

815 chipsets. I want to get an intel based motherboard, but not sure which

of these chipsets is better. any problems with