64 and board compatibility

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Does anyone have an idea what is the best motherboard as far as
compatibility for the AMD 64 processors?
I am considering between Asus and MSI.
 
Scott said:
Does anyone have an idea what is the best motherboard as far as
compatibility for the AMD 64 processors?
I am considering between Asus and MSI.
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754 or 939 pin?

single or dual core?

how much memory will you install?

etc etc......

But on a general note, either of the manufacturers you mention shouldn't
cause you many headaches if the other components are of decent quality
(memory in particular).
 
Does anyone have an idea what is the best motherboard as far as
compatibility for the AMD 64 processors? I am considering between Asus and
MSI.
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Any Nforce4 motherboard will work, they are all pretty similar. I have an
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum with an X2 4400+, been running 24/7 with 64 bit
Fedora Core 4 since last July.
 
If you want to do any overclocking, I hear Asus is the better solution.
But yes, they both make good boards.
Right now I'm hearing very good things about Asus' 939 boards.

Keep in mind AMD is coming out with "AM2" or "M2" (new chipset that supports
DDR2) in a ?June? and it won't support the current 754/939/940 pin CPUs so
if you buy a new motherboard & CPU now, you are locked into M1 for however
long. Not sure how much in a hurry you are to upgrade... ?

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Not sure what the difference is between the two socket types and what
difference it would make.
Probably Dual.
At least gig and a half, maybe 2.
 
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General Schvantzkoph said:
Any Nforce4 motherboard will work, they are all pretty similar. I have an
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum with an X2 4400+, been running 24/7 with 64 bit
Fedora Core 4 since last July.
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Nah, no overclocking for me. No hurry to upgrade now, most likely later in
the year.
Isn't DDR2 available now anyway?
I wish AMD would note on their site what the speed is of their chips.
Meaning I want to know what 3800+ means for example or if I am looking for a
2.x or 3 gig proc I want to know which model to buy.
 
Nah, no overclocking for me. No hurry to upgrade now, most likely later in
the year.
Isn't DDR2 available now anyway?
I wish AMD would note on their site what the speed is of their chips.
Meaning I want to know what 3800+ means for example or if I am looking for
a 2.x or 3 gig proc I want to know which model to buy.
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Intel is using DDR2 already, AMD is switching over mid year. If you can
wait until summer both Intel and AMD will have new processors. The Intel
processors will be much better then the current Intel offerings, they are
claiming that they will be faster than AMDs but that remains to be seen.
The AMD parts are only scheduled for a minor upgrade, DDR2 vs DDR. No
one expects them to be much better than the current parts, maybe 5% faster
on a clock for clock basis. However the new parts will be available at a
higher clock rate then the current parts.
 
Nah, no overclocking for me. No hurry to upgrade now, most likely later in
the year.
Isn't DDR2 available now anyway?
I wish AMD would note on their site what the speed is of their chips.
Meaning I want to know what 3800+ means for example or if I am looking for a
2.x or 3 gig proc I want to know which model to buy.
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3800+ means it as fast or faster than a P4 3800MHz cpu. Clock rates don't
mean a thing by themselves. A really simplified example would be 2 CPU
running the same clock speed where one takes 5 cycles per instruction and
the other takes 10 cycles per instruction. So one would be twice as fast
as the other. The P4 line was designed for high clock speeds but taking
more cycles per instruction than their previous P3's, or AMD K7's.
 
General Schvantzkoph said:
Any Nforce4 motherboard will work, they are all pretty similar. I have an
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum with an X2 4400+, been running 24/7 with 64 bit
Fedora Core 4 since last July.
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I'm considering the neo4 plat for a future upgrade. I'm currently running a
4400+ X2 on an MSI neo2 Plat AGP platform. What caveats, if any, can be
expected with this board. Is this the board that eats cmos batteries? What
is your general opinion of it?

Thanks,
mxh
 
I'm considering the neo4 plat for a future upgrade. I'm currently running
a 4400+ X2 on an MSI neo2 Plat AGP platform. What caveats, if any, can be
expected with this board. Is this the board that eats cmos batteries? What
is your general opinion of it?

Thanks,
mxh
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I haven't had any trouble with it. However there isn't much reason to
switch from a Neo2 (which I also have) to a Neo4 unless you want to do it
so that you can get a PCIe graphics card. There is 0 performance
difference between a Neo2 and a Neo4. Even if you are going to upgrade
your graphics it probably only makes sense if you are planning on buying
a top of line graphics card. At the midrange and lower the AGP cards and
PCIe cards are going to be pretty close in performance.
 
General Schvantzkoph said:
I haven't had any trouble with it. However there isn't much reason to
switch from a Neo2 (which I also have) to a Neo4 unless you want to do it
so that you can get a PCIe graphics card. There is 0 performance
difference between a Neo2 and a Neo4. Even if you are going to upgrade
your graphics it probably only makes sense if you are planning on buying
a top of line graphics card. At the midrange and lower the AGP cards and
PCIe cards are going to be pretty close in performance.
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The reason I'm considering the NEO 4 is that I have a 3500+ doing nothing
after I upgraded to the 4400+ and my daughter will most likely inherit the
3500+ and the Neo2 plat. I just don't want to have a perfectly good cpu that
I can't find a board for in the future. So the solution I see is to buy a
PCI-E board that accommodates socket 939 while I still can. I know they'll
be around for a little while after the M2 socket appears. I'm just thinking
ahead.

I guess there will be more 939 OCI-E boards coming out that may be better.
I'm in no hurry, just checking around. Any opinions are welcome.

Thanks,
mxh
 
The reason I'm considering the NEO 4 is that I have a 3500+ doing nothing
after I upgraded to the 4400+ and my daughter will most likely inherit the
3500+ and the Neo2 plat. I just don't want to have a perfectly good cpu
that I can't find a board for in the future. So the solution I see is to
buy a PCI-E board that accommodates socket 939 while I still can. I know
they'll be around for a little while after the M2 socket appears. I'm just
thinking ahead.

I guess there will be more 939 OCI-E boards coming out that may be better.
I'm in no hurry, just checking around. Any opinions are welcome.

Thanks,
mxh
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That's a perfectly good reason to get a Neo4, I'd do the same thing if I
were you. There aren't going to be any more socket 939 boards coming, the
Neo4 is as good as it's going to get so you might as well get the new
board now.
 
General Schvantzkoph said:
That's a perfectly good reason to get a Neo4, I'd do the same thing if I
were you. There aren't going to be any more socket 939 boards coming, the
Neo4 is as good as it's going to get so you might as well get the new
board now.
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Thanks!
 
Not sure what the difference is between the two socket types and what
difference it would make.
Probably Dual.
At least gig and a half, maybe 2.
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754 no dual
939 yes dual
 
A little FYI on AMD comparison's can be found->

http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/

Due to build differences the number is the equivalent clock speed
compared to an Intel chip, even though the clock speed is about 50-60%
of the value. The chart below should give you most of the pertinent info
on the CPU.
By changing internal structure and function AMD can get the same
output as an Intel chip, but at lower clock rates, lower power, thus
also less heat. They are also now up and running at the new Fab 36 which
will expand R&D and production, as well as opening the way to the
upcoming 65μm production, due to commence late this year. More
production and research on 64-bit processors, 300mm so costs go down!!
And, plans already afoot for 45μm to begin late '08, i think.
Can't tell that i like AMD, can ya? {8^)

AMD Athlonâ„¢ 64 Details
Processor AMD Athlonâ„¢ 64
Model 3800+
Ordering P/N (Tray) ADA3800DAA4BP
Ordering P/N (PIB) ADA3800BPBOX
Operating Mode 32/64
Stepping E3
Frequency 2400Mhz
HT Speed 2000
Voltage 1.35-1.40 V
Max Temp 49-71°C
Thermal Power 89W
L1 Cache 128KB
L2 Cache 512KB
CMOS Technology 90nm SOI
Socket Socket 939
 
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