5728, Upgrade, Clean Install, or Ignore

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I just downloaded build 5728. Which is better,

1) Upgrade 5600 to 5728 by doing the upgrade install?

2) Clean Install 5728 by reformatting my D drive (the C drive has XP Pro)?

3) Ignore 5728 because the differences between the new build and 5600 (which runs fine on my computer) are not worth the effort?

There is a line on the 5728 download page that has got me nervous about this one. The line reads:
This build may not have the same level of support or servicing via Windows Update, and you may not be able to upgrade to the final version of Windows Vista.
Is this common with all the builds or is there something else I should be concerned about with this build?

William
 
William said:
I just downloaded build 5728. Which is better,

1) Upgrade 5600 to 5728 by doing the upgrade install?

2) Clean Install 5728 by reformatting my D drive (the C drive has XP Pro)?
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a clean install is always recommended
 
Go ahead, install it. I'm going to do an upgrade install.

You know you want to, it's what we do- we are beta testers,
so, test it. ;-)

-Michael

I just downloaded build 5728. Which is better,

1) Upgrade 5600 to 5728 by doing the upgrade install?

2) Clean Install 5728 by reformatting my D drive (the C drive has XP Pro)?

3) Ignore 5728 because the differences between the new build and 5600 (which runs fine on my
computer) are not worth the effort?

There is a line on the 5728 download page that has got me nervous about this one. The line
reads:
This build may not have the same level of support or servicing via Windows Update, and you
may not be able to upgrade to the final version of Windows Vista.
Is this common with all the builds or is there something else I should be concerned about with
this build?

William
 
Personally i much prefer a clean install. Of course, i will try an upgrade later in the week on another partition, but for the first install it will be a clean one.

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I just downloaded build 5728. Which is better,

1) Upgrade 5600 to 5728 by doing the upgrade install?

2) Clean Install 5728 by reformatting my D drive (the C drive has XP Pro)?

3) Ignore 5728 because the differences between the new build and 5600 (which runs fine on my computer) are not worth the effort?

There is a line on the 5728 download page that has got me nervous about this one. The line reads:
This build may not have the same level of support or servicing via Windows Update, and you may not be able to upgrade to the final version of Windows Vista.
Is this common with all the builds or is there something else I should be concerned about with this build?

William
 
If you want upgrade from 5600 to 5728, it is a supported scenario. The only issue is that it takes a long time to upgrade if you have a lot of applications and or settings. With the interim builds they usually don't do any updates for them becuase when the updates came out at the milestone stage they were integrated into the code then, so with the interim build the fixes are already in the code.

--
Tom Ziegmann
Microsoft Certified Professional
Windows Vista / Server Longhorn TechBeta Tester
Windows Server 2003 SP2 TechBeta Tester
I just downloaded build 5728. Which is better,

1) Upgrade 5600 to 5728 by doing the upgrade install?

2) Clean Install 5728 by reformatting my D drive (the C drive has XP Pro)?

3) Ignore 5728 because the differences between the new build and 5600 (which runs fine on my computer) are not worth the effort?

There is a line on the 5728 download page that has got me nervous about this one. The line reads:
This build may not have the same level of support or servicing via Windows Update, and you may not be able to upgrade to the final version of Windows Vista.
Is this common with all the builds or is there something else I should be concerned about with this build?

William
 
By whom? You? MS does not. I don't. Don't carry over Windows urban
legends to Vista.
 
Please try the upgrade scenario so that you can report problems with it to MS. One of the purposes of the release of 5728 was to fix upgrade problems caught by folks like us following the release of 5600. MS is requesting TechBeta to emphacize both 5600 to 5728 upgrades and XP to 5728 upgrades. If the upgrade fails you still have the option of doing a custom install.

The term "clean install" used by many in this ng applies to XP and before. The whole concept has changed with Vista and your choices now are upgrade or custom. Both are "clean" installs of Vista. Whether or not your files, settings, and applications are retained determines whether or not it is an upgrade.
I just downloaded build 5728. Which is better,

1) Upgrade 5600 to 5728 by doing the upgrade install?

2) Clean Install 5728 by reformatting my D drive (the C drive has XP Pro)?

3) Ignore 5728 because the differences between the new build and 5600 (which runs fine on my computer) are not worth the effort?

There is a line on the 5728 download page that has got me nervous about this one. The line reads:
This build may not have the same level of support or servicing via Windows Update, and you may not be able to upgrade to the final version of Windows Vista.
Is this common with all the builds or is there something else I should be concerned about with this build?

William
 
Colin Barnhorst said:
By whom? You? MS does not. I don't. Don't carry over Windows urban
legends to Vista.
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If you are trying to say a clean install isn't best then there is only one
word to describe you

MORON
 
I'll give you credit, colin, this reply in this thread was a lot more intelligent than the first one
Please try the upgrade scenario so that you can report problems with it to MS. One of the purposes of the release of 5728 was to fix upgrade problems caught by folks like us following the release of 5600. MS is requesting TechBeta to emphacize both 5600 to 5728 upgrades and XP to 5728 upgrades. If the upgrade fails you still have the option of doing a custom install.

The term "clean install" used by many in this ng applies to XP and before. The whole concept has changed with Vista and your choices now are upgrade or custom. Both are "clean" installs of Vista. Whether or not your files, settings, and applications are retained determines whether or not it is an upgrade.
I just downloaded build 5728. Which is better,

1) Upgrade 5600 to 5728 by doing the upgrade install?

2) Clean Install 5728 by reformatting my D drive (the C drive has XP Pro)?

3) Ignore 5728 because the differences between the new build and 5600 (which runs fine on my computer) are not worth the effort?

There is a line on the 5728 download page that has got me nervous about this one. The line reads:
This build may not have the same level of support or servicing via Windows Update, and you may not be able to upgrade to the final version of Windows Vista.
Is this common with all the builds or is there something else I should be concerned about with this build?

William
 
I'll give you credit, leadfoot, this reply in this thread was a lot more intelligent than the
first one.



I'll give you credit, colin, this reply in this thread was a lot more intelligent than the
first one
Please try the upgrade scenario so that you can report problems with it to MS. One of the
purposes of the release of 5728 was to fix upgrade problems caught by folks like us following
the release of 5600. MS is requesting TechBeta to emphacize both 5600 to 5728 upgrades and XP
to 5728 upgrades. If the upgrade fails you still have the option of doing a custom install.

The term "clean install" used by many in this ng applies to XP and before. The whole concept
has changed with Vista and your choices now are upgrade or custom. Both are "clean" installs
of Vista. Whether or not your files, settings, and applications are retained determines
whether or not it is an upgrade.
I just downloaded build 5728. Which is better,

1) Upgrade 5600 to 5728 by doing the upgrade install?

2) Clean Install 5728 by reformatting my D drive (the C drive has XP Pro)?

3) Ignore 5728 because the differences between the new build and 5600 (which runs fine on
my computer) are not worth the effort?

There is a line on the 5728 download page that has got me nervous about this one. The line
reads:
This build may not have the same level of support or servicing via Windows Update, and
you may not be able to upgrade to the final version of Windows Vista.
Is this common with all the builds or is there something else I should be concerned about
with this build?

William
 
Yes, having a difference of opion, especially someone with a lot more inside
information, experience and contacts than you, does not make someone a
moron. Incidentally, I don't see MVP in your posts.
 
I gotta agree with John -

John Barnes said:
Yes, having a difference of opion, especially someone with a lot more
inside information, experience and contacts than you, does not make
someone a moron. Incidentally, I don't see MVP in your posts.
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John Barnes said:
Yes, having a difference of opion, especially someone with a lot more
inside information, experience and contacts than you, does not make
someone a moron. Incidentally, I don't see MVP in your posts.
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here is what he was replying to

a clean install is always recommended


And here is what he said
By whom? You? MS does not. I don't. Don't carry over Windows urban
legends to Vista.
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Now it doesn't take very much intelligence to figure out that an upgrade
install is more complicated than a clean one. Quite simply there is way
more work for the install to do and way more chance for an error. Not only
that but I'm seeing people who spend six hours or more doing an upgrade
install. (gee is my install working??? maybe I should hit reset and start
over???) I have yet to do one since 64-bit RC1 won't upgrade MCE2005. I
found it best to use two hard drives, do a clean install, transfer via cut
not copy my documents and other large files manually and use the Migration
wizard which is at least 500% better than the WinXP version that didn't
work.

But yeah I think his original reply was pretty dumb. And dumb is dumb
whether you have MVP by your name or not.

BTW they said the same thing when WinXP came out. I certainly recall a lot
of people who lost everything doing upgrade installs

And if this is an urban legend why do they need the MVP's to suggest
everyone to do an upgrade install so they can get data from it??? Would it
be because they have a lot of bugs in the upgrade install still?

The smart thing for MS to do would be to release an RC1 version that is
upgrade only and see what kind of data they get from that.
 
I agree with part of what you say, not all, but that doesn't mean someone
who is a stickler for 'always' is wrong or a moron.
Colin has lots of contacts at Microsoft and believes what he hears unless he
finds out differently himself, an empiricist, not a moron.
He takes his testing and advice seriously and has provided many with solid
answers.

My personal experience with an upgrade of XP86 was a disaster. I had to do
a clean install to get a decent product. Many programs that were not
flagged as being a problem, failed to operate or functions failed. There
was obviously a long way to go with that process at beta2 time. Most of
those programs would not install when I tried to install them into the clean
install. Over half my programs wouldn't install. I'm not looking forward
to how much hardware and software won't work/install on Vista64 when I get
my RC1 DVD.
 
All installations of Vista are "clean" installations of Vista. The term
"clean install" no longer means anything. The correct terms are "Upgrade"
and :"Custom". Or don't you read what you are clicking when you install the
software?
 
Microsofts preview get ready page has this
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeinfo.mspx
The options
You can upgrade from your current edition of Microsoft Windows XP or Windows
2000 to a corresponding or better edition of Windows Vista by purchasing and
installing an upgrade copy of Windows Vista. Depending on which edition of
Windows you are running and the edition of Windows Vista you would like to
install, you have two options for the installation process:

In-place upgrade
You can upgrade in-place, which means you can install Windows Vista and
retain your applications, files, and settings as they were in your previous
edition of Windows.

Clean install
Upgrading to Windows Vista with a clean install means that you should use
Windows Easy Transfer to automatically copy all your files and settings to
an extra hard drive or other storage device, and then install Windows Vista.
After the installation is complete, Windows Easy Transfer will reload your
files and settings on your upgraded PC. You will then need to reinstall your
applications.
 
To which I would add that in addition to using the WET wizard to transfer
files and settings, you can also use the WET Companion to transfer apps.
WET Companion Beta is scheduled to be available on Windows Downloads at the
time Vista goes to market. It will not be necessary to manually reinstall
apps except for those that Companion flags as incompatible or in need of an
updated version. That of course might be foolish, but some will do it.
 
I did a upgrade and I'm a clean install guy. I don't believe in upgrades for
OSes but this has changed my mind. It did indeed take 3 hours, my Outlook
icon disappeared on the Taskbar and the Outlook icon went to a useless white
icon in the Start Menu but after trying every thing I could to get it back
after I restarted this morning it was back to the correct icon and my system
is flying! It takes me 5+ hours to set up a clean install with all my
applications and personal settings so I just tried this upgrade and it worked
great! I still have this little voice in m ear saying "It would run better if
you had formatted and installed". Argh!
 
John Barnes said:
I agree with part of what you say, not all, but that doesn't mean someone
who is a stickler for 'always' is wrong or a moron.
Colin has lots of contacts at Microsoft and believes what he hears unless
he finds out differently himself, an empiricist, not a moron.
He takes his testing and advice seriously and has provided many with solid
answers.
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Maybe Colin just woke up on the wrong side of the bed. I found his first
reply arrogant and useless. His second reply was pretty good, something I
gave him credit for. Maybe he just needed his coffee
 
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