5728 on Inspiron 6400, 2ghz, 1gig ram...

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Got sick of waiting for RC1 DVD to arrive, so downloaded 5728, saved it to a
directory on my windows C: XP partition, used magiciso to unpack the files
onto the C: drive, ran setup and told it to install to V: drive, it gave me
the usual message about windows.old being created. Dual boot was retained,
big sigh of relief as I had problems there with beta 2. Reinstalled office
2007, then techrelease for same, and other software.

Everything appears to be working very well, the best thing is that aero is
finally working on the intel chipset 945gm, totally smoother than using the
generic WDDM driver that came with beta 2..

The speed up compared to beta 2 is very noticeable, launch times, close down
and program operation speed is fantastic!!!! Now I just have to decide
whether to hose UAC or just accept it as part of the necessary brave new
vista world :D

Finally a big thank you to all the regular posters here, whose patience and
advice I have greatly admired and appreciated over the past three months. I
feel that I now know a lot about vista installation on various machines and
feel very confident in the unofficial support role I am sure to have at work
and with friends over the next two years ;)
 
GrahamBookman said:
Got sick of waiting for RC1 DVD to arrive, so downloaded 5728, saved it to
a directory on my windows C: XP partition, used magiciso to unpack the
files onto the C: drive, ran setup and told it to install to V: drive, it
gave me the usual message about windows.old being created. Dual boot was
retained, big sigh of relief as I had problems there with beta 2.
Reinstalled office 2007, then techrelease for same, and other software.

Everything appears to be working very well, the best thing is that aero is
finally working on the intel chipset 945gm, totally smoother than using
the generic WDDM driver that came with beta 2..

The speed up compared to beta 2 is very noticeable, launch times, close
down and program operation speed is fantastic!!!! Now I just have to
decide whether to hose UAC or just accept it as part of the necessary
brave new vista world :D

Finally a big thank you to all the regular posters here, whose patience
and advice I have greatly admired and appreciated over the past three
months. I feel that I now know a lot about vista installation on various
machines and feel very confident in the unofficial support role I am sure
to have at work and with friends over the next two years ;)
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I know UAC can be a pain, but its there for a reason and I think you should
accept it as part of the OS. There's no point in MS trying to help secure
customers computers if they are just going to disable that security.
I find that I have got used to it now and I don't realise when I am doing
those single clicks, it just happens. Its not like every day you will be
doing actions which require acceptance of UAC. Yes you have to do it quite
a bit when installing new programs, but once you are settled and got the OS
working the way you want its not going to be a regular occurance.
 
Maybe for you, but happens at startup every time to update the AVG A-V
files. Total pain. Four popups at start-up for that, more for other
programs that check for updates, etc.
 
Make sure you complain to the creators of the software you are experiencing
problems with. The more complaints they receive the sooner they will
consider updating their programs for Vista compatibilty.

When you think about it why do all these programs need system level access?
Every one of them is a possible vector for malware infections. If they had
been coded properly in the first place they would work fine with Vista.
 
I would think that an AV needs some sort of system level
access. Windows Defender in real-time protection mode +
UAC, has got to be one of the most aggravating computer
experiences I have ever encountered. YMMV, of course.

-Michael
 
The only time it should need to get the user's OK (UAC) is during the
install. It can install a service during the install to do whatever ongoing
system level access it needs.
 
Heh, heh, heh... you said it yourself... and I quote: " I find that I have
got used to it now and I don't realise when I am doing those single clicks,
it just happens."

Hmmm... if one doesn't read the UAC dlg box when it pops up, and one just
clicks on the dlg box without realizing what it's saying, then one is not
using UAC in the manner in which it is intended to be used.

UAC: "Hey, you wanna run Control Panel?"

Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!

UAC: "Hey, you wanna install this trojan virus?"

Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!

Oops...

Lang
 
Lang Murphy said:
Heh, heh, heh... you said it yourself... and I quote: " I find that I have
got used to it now and I don't realise when I am doing those single
clicks, it just happens."

Hmmm... if one doesn't read the UAC dlg box when it pops up, and one just
clicks on the dlg box without realizing what it's saying, then one is not
using UAC in the manner in which it is intended to be used.

UAC: "Hey, you wanna run Control Panel?"

Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!

UAC: "Hey, you wanna install this trojan virus?"

Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!

Oops...

Lang
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The code of the malware does not have to be strong as long as the social
engineering is top-notch!
 
Lang Murphy said:
Heh, heh, heh... you said it yourself... and I quote: " I find that I have
got used to it now and I don't realise when I am doing those single
clicks, it just happens."

Hmmm... if one doesn't read the UAC dlg box when it pops up, and one just
clicks on the dlg box without realizing what it's saying, then one is not
using UAC in the manner in which it is intended to be used.

UAC: "Hey, you wanna run Control Panel?"

Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!

UAC: "Hey, you wanna install this trojan virus?"

Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!
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Thats a very good point and one I did not consider.
 
Lang Murphy said:
Heh, heh, heh... you said it yourself... and I quote: " I find that I have
got used to it now and I don't realise when I am doing those single
clicks, it just happens."

Hmmm... if one doesn't read the UAC dlg box when it pops up, and one just
clicks on the dlg box without realizing what it's saying, then one is not
using UAC in the manner in which it is intended to be used.

UAC: "Hey, you wanna run Control Panel?"

Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!

UAC: "Hey, you wanna install this trojan virus?"

Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!

Oops...
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Actually whilst you raise a good point, I know when I want access by UAC
because I have deliberately done something which requires the prompt - like
installing a program I intend to install. However if a trojan wants to
install out of the blue then I know something is wrong and will look at why
I am getting UAC when I had not requested it.
 
Unfortunately, so many of the popups are for things like a program checking
for updates, and the name presented is Wise (the installer program) not the
program which is actually the known program ie Traders Workstation
It makes it hard to know what to approve and what not to approve. I need
the updates to the trading program so I need to okay, but who would know
Wise?
 
Well, the thing to consider here is that the criminals that write viruses
and all other manner of nasties might figure out how to piggy back onto
something you're doing.

UAC: "Do you want to run Control Panel?"

Me: "Yes... sigh..." Click!

UAC: "Do you want to run Control Panel?" (but you're really installing a
trojan virus...)

Me: "#%$^&*((@#... YES, I SAID YES, RUN @$%^#& CONTROL PANEL!!!!" CLICK!

Oops.

I mean, I don't know what different types of scenarios might present
themselves. My only point was that mindlessly clicking OK in a UAC dlg
without reading what it says defeats the purpose of the system. Heck, the
criminals are probably smart enough that when you run control panel, they
hijack the request and put their own code in there and you might not know it
if you don't read the dlg box...

Me: "Run Control Panel"

UAC: "You want to run ABC.EXE?"

Me: "Yeah, sure..."

Oops.

Lang
 
John Barnes said:
Unfortunately, so many of the popups are for things like a program
checking for updates, and the name presented is Wise (the installer
program) not the program which is actually the known program ie Traders
Workstation
It makes it hard to know what to approve and what not to approve. I need
the updates to the trading program so I need to okay, but who would know
Wise?
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Yes I agree that it would piss people off.
As I have said in previous threads I think there should be some way of
customing the UAC so it knows certain events are okay. Its either an all or
nothing system, yet advanced users may not want all of it. Would be nice to
make it a bit manageable.
 
I mean, I don't know what different types of scenarios might present
themselves. My only point was that mindlessly clicking OK in a UAC dlg
without reading what it says defeats the purpose of the system. Heck, the
criminals are probably smart enough that when you run control panel, they
hijack the request and put their own code in there and you might not know
it if you don't read the dlg box...
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Absolutely, I can see why it can pose a problem. It may end up becoming
counterproductive in the end and cause more problems than it prevents.
An old Chinaman once said to me, flawed security is often more dangerous
than no security as it gives a false sense of security. (he did not
actually say it but he might have done had I met him)
 
Well put... exactly the point.

Lang

Beck said:
Absolutely, I can see why it can pose a problem. It may end up becoming
counterproductive in the end and cause more problems than it prevents.
An old Chinaman once said to me, flawed security is often more dangerous
than no security as it gives a false sense of security. (he did not
actually say it but he might have done had I met him)
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Like a lot of other people in this thread, I find UAC annoying, but as they
say, it's a necessary evil! However, why do we have the same pop-up EVERY
time we run a particular program? Surely the first time is enough!
 
While I agree with you, I would modify it to allow a choice when it is
presented, 'Always allow', or 'this time only' so the user has a choice.
 
Like a lot of other people in this thread, I find UAC annoying, but as
they
say, it's a necessary evil! However, why do we have the same pop-up EVERY
time we run a particular program? Surely the first time is enough!
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Is this a 3rd party program? It could be that the program needs to be
recoded to work with Vista's UAC model.
 
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