3D mark crash

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I have just purchased 3D mark 2003 and was running it on my game system to
see how it came out.
My system;
AMD XP2600+
1.5gig PC3200 DDR
2 * 120 HDD
1 DVD Rom
1 DVD RW
1 CD R/W
1 ATI radeon 9800 128 pro
1 network card
1 ISDN card
1 Raid card
1 * 550w PSU
+3.3v 30A
+5v 40A
+12v 20A
-5v 1.0A
-12v 1.0A
+5v(sb) 3.0A

3D mark ran all the way through and was on the last test when my PC shut
down and would not restart. Had to reset system from motherboard jumper and
input all bios settings again.
Would this signal a problem with the power supply, or indicate it is not
strong enough?

Thanks
 
KerplunKuK said:
I have just purchased 3D mark 2003 and was running it on my game system to
see how it came out.
My system;
AMD XP2600+
1.5gig PC3200 DDR
2 * 120 HDD
1 DVD Rom
1 DVD RW
1 CD R/W
1 ATI radeon 9800 128 pro
1 network card
1 ISDN card
1 Raid card
1 * 550w PSU
+3.3v 30A
+5v 40A
+12v 20A
-5v 1.0A
-12v 1.0A
+5v(sb) 3.0A

3D mark ran all the way through and was on the last test when my PC shut
down and would not restart. Had to reset system from motherboard jumper and
input all bios settings again.
Would this signal a problem with the power supply, or indicate it is not
strong enough?

Thanks

Using supplied drivers by ATI
 
If your psu is from Q-TEC, you're in trouble. I think your's IS a q-tec, the
little gold bastard. Your 12V rail is too weak. My Enermax 350W has about
25W on 12V rail.

Other than that, use ATI catalyst 3.10 or newer. Try to connect the
radeon9800 on a seperate power-rail, meaning no cd-rom or hdd connected to
same cable.

See if that help. It should
 
Asestar said:
If your psu is from Q-TEC, you're in trouble. I think your's IS a q-tec, the
little gold bastard. Your 12V rail is too weak. My Enermax 350W has about
25W on 12V rail.

Other than that, use ATI catalyst 3.10 or newer. Try to connect the
radeon9800 on a seperate power-rail, meaning no cd-rom or hdd connected to
same cable.

See if that help. It should


It is a gold Q Tec. Nothing is powered on the same rail. I will try the
drivers you mention. Any suggestions on a new psu then? I had a look
around, but I can't really afford £50 for a psu.
 
KerplunKuK said:
It is a gold Q Tec. Nothing is powered on the same rail. I will try the
drivers you mention. Any suggestions on a new psu then? I had a look
around, but I can't really afford £50 for a psu.

Good psu cost quite a bit. However, it is well worth it. Now depending on
where you live, you can get many good brand psu at good price.
Antec, Enermax, Aopen are all good ones. And 350-400W of good brand psu is
better than a cheap 550 W psu.
Believe me, i had one of them 350W q.tec psu. Upgraded to Enermax 350W
(could not afford 400W) and difference was huge.
 
3D mark ran all the way through and was on the last test when my PC shut
down and would not restart. Had to reset system from motherboard jumper and
input all bios settings again.
Would this signal a problem with the power supply, or indicate it is not
strong enough?


Hi,
does it do this only on 3DMark? or can you play games normally?. As
suggested by others it may be your PSU, or possibly your memory is screwy or
not set properly?
 
Hi,
does it do this only on 3DMark? or can you play games normally?. As
suggested by others it may be your PSU, or possibly your memory is screwy or
not set properly?

I have not overclocked it, its running on basic ATI drivers. My memory is
fine, I have tested it and its ok. Its only 3D mark so far, that's why I
guessed it was a power issue as that I assume stretches my system
requirements. It is not overheating as it has two extra fans providing
cooling for it. My internal case temp is 34C. It is on its own power cable
from the power supply.
 
Asestar said:
If your psu is from Q-TEC, you're in trouble. I think your's IS a q-tec,
the little gold bastard. Your 12V rail is too weak. My Enermax 350W has
about 25W on 12V rail.

I have a Q-Tec 550W Dual Fan Gold, and its fine.

The 12V rail is pretty much rock solid (at 12.5V), as are the other rails.

I'm using a Barton 2500+ and a 9800Pro, with 2 Opticals and 2 Hard drives, 2
sticks fo 512MB Corsair. System is rock solid.

Ben
 
Dear Ben.
I guess you're lucky to have stable system so far. But let me in you a
secret, 12.5V on a 12V rail is NOT safe. It has btw nothing to do with how
many watts it have.
Q-Tec's 550W = 365-400W of good make.

Q-TEC have a long history of lying about wattage of their psu's.
When others like Enermax, antec etc say 365W, they mean 365 watt of
continous power output.

When Q-Tec label their psu 550W, it means 550 watt is the peak voltage that
psu *might* deliever for *unspecified* amount of time (could be an hour, a
second, who knows). Remember you get what you pay for.

However, considering your hardware, power requirement is about 300-350W,
which your Q-TEC 550W might handel well. But never ever make mistake of
using this psu where acutally 400-450Watt of power is needed, it SHALL fail
there.

Besides, they make a hell of noise, and there is no switch on psu. You have
to pull the plug to turn it off in emergency.
 
Fitted loads of Q-TEC 13025's , never a problem with ATi 98's prior to
that I used cheap shit Kobian 400's

ere: http://www.qtec.info/products/product.htm?artnr=13025

Regards, BoroLad

Dear Ben.
I guess you're lucky to have stable system so far. But let me in you a
secret, 12.5V on a 12V rail is NOT safe. It has btw nothing to do with how
many watts it have.
Q-Tec's 550W = 365-400W of good make.
Q-TEC have a long history of lying about wattage of their psu's.
When others like Enermax, antec etc say 365W, they mean 365 watt of
continous power output.
When Q-Tec label their psu 550W, it means 550 watt is the peak voltage that
psu *might* deliever for *unspecified* amount of time (could be an hour, a
second, who knows). Remember you get what you pay for.
However, considering your hardware, power requirement is about 300-350W,
which your Q-TEC 550W might handel well. But never ever make mistake of
using this psu where acutally 400-450Watt of power is needed, it SHALL fail
there.
 
Asestar said:
Dear Ben.
I guess you're lucky to have stable system so far. But let me in you a
secret, 12.5V on a 12V rail is NOT safe. It has btw nothing to do with how
many watts it have.
Q-Tec's 550W = 365-400W of good make.

I totally understand that Q-Tec supplies are overrated - they're probably
rated for operation at around 20-25°C, which is clearly not the normal
operating temperature. The current available on each rail drops
significantly with increasing temperature.

12.5V is within spec and, is not "NOT safe" by any means. If I was using
the power supply beyond it's rated current output, I would expect the rail
to sag - the Voltage would drop, or at least vary under differing current
drain situations.
Q-TEC have a long history of lying about wattage of their psu's.
When others like Enermax, antec etc say 365W, they mean 365 watt of
continous power output.

Thats a strong assertion. I would say it's misleading, but outright lying?

A quick sum of the peak voltages and currents:

30*3.3+40*5+18*12+5+12+5*3 = 547W

Thats the peak. So you are probably right about how they justify their
ratings.

Same sum for continuous rating:

18*3.3+30*5+16*12+.5*5+.5*12+5*2.5 = 422W

So it's a ~420W PSU. It's labelled quite adequately on the side.
When Q-Tec label their psu 550W, it means 550 watt is the peak voltage
that psu *might* deliever for *unspecified* amount of time (could be an
hour, a second, who knows). Remember you get what you pay for.

I know.

You can't equate voltage with wattage. We should be talking about current
draw on each particular rail.
However, considering your hardware, power requirement is about 300-350W,
which your Q-TEC 550W might handel well. But never ever make mistake of
using this psu where acutally 400-450Watt of power is needed, it SHALL
fail there.

Maybe. I'm just saying that it does work fine on mine, and Voltages have
remained within spec (the other rails are much closer) throughout all kinds
of operating conditions.
Besides, they make a hell of noise, and there is no switch on psu. You
have to pull the plug to turn it off in emergency.

The switch is not really a concern of mine, if I can find the switch, I can
pull the lead out the back.

I have replaced both fans, knowing full well that they are noisy, as I had
the 450W before, on my old system.

Incidentally, this is one of the newer ones that is PFC approved, this also
helps a little with current drain as a PFC of .99 or better (I think thats
what the spec says, from memory) is going to give you the maximum current
for a given wattage.

Ben
 
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