2003 animations opening in 2007

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Kim

Can you tell me why my PowerPoint 2003 presentations using the appear
animation are different in 2007? In PowerPoint 2003 the white text appears on
click 1 paragraph at a time, however in 2007 the text appears first in black
and then appears in one paragraph at a time (white text). I have nearly 100
similar presentations and don't want to have to change all of them.
 
Can you email a sample slide to echos at indy dot net? Please include the
text of your post so I remember why I asked you to send the file.
 
Hi, Kim,

Thanks for sending the sample slides. This is what I thought it was, but I
figured it was easier to confirm first, then explain.

Basically, the author used a shape shadow instead of a text shadow when
creating the file. The shape shadows are on the Drawing toolbar in PPT
2003 -- when you hover over the icons on that toolbar, it's the one with the
tooltip that says "Shadow Style."

If the textbox were to have a fill, that shadow would be applied to the
textbox itself. Since it doesn't have a fill, the shadow is applied to the
text. It actually works the same in 2007 -- there are text shadows and shape
shadows.

If you want the shadow to animate with the text in 2007, you must apply a
text shadow as opposed to a shape shadow. So, when 2007 opens a 2003 file
that uses shape shadows, it treats them like 2007 shape shadows and doesn't
animate them when you animate text. (You don't have the option to "animate
attached shape" when you're animating text in a non-filled textbox, even if
there's a ahape shadow applied to the textbox.)

The most straightforward fix (although I realize it may be tedious) is to
apply a text shadow (that is, use the shadow button on the Formatting
toolbar in either PPT 2003 or 2007) and remove the shape shadow. In 2003 you
remove the shape shadow on the Drawing toolbar; in 2007, you use Drawing
Tools Format | Shape Effects | Shadow | No Shadow to remove the shape
shadow. Then the shadow will animate with the text as expected.
 
Thanks so much, Echo. I didn't think about it have a shape shadow effect.
Removing the shadow effect fixed it.

By the way, I felt I was pretty advanced with PowerPoint but learned several
new features with your 2007 tutorials through Total Training! They are the
best PowerPoint tutorials I've seen from any version!
Kim

Echo S said:
Hi, Kim,

Thanks for sending the sample slides. This is what I thought it was, but I
figured it was easier to confirm first, then explain.

Basically, the author used a shape shadow instead of a text shadow when
creating the file. The shape shadows are on the Drawing toolbar in PPT
2003 -- when you hover over the icons on that toolbar, it's the one with the
tooltip that says "Shadow Style."

If the textbox were to have a fill, that shadow would be applied to the
textbox itself. Since it doesn't have a fill, the shadow is applied to the
text. It actually works the same in 2007 -- there are text shadows and shape
shadows.

If you want the shadow to animate with the text in 2007, you must apply a
text shadow as opposed to a shape shadow. So, when 2007 opens a 2003 file
that uses shape shadows, it treats them like 2007 shape shadows and doesn't
animate them when you animate text. (You don't have the option to "animate
attached shape" when you're animating text in a non-filled textbox, even if
there's a ahape shadow applied to the textbox.)

The most straightforward fix (although I realize it may be tedious) is to
apply a text shadow (that is, use the shadow button on the Formatting
toolbar in either PPT 2003 or 2007) and remove the shape shadow. In 2003 you
remove the shape shadow on the Drawing toolbar; in 2007, you use Drawing
Tools Format | Shape Effects | Shadow | No Shadow to remove the shape
shadow. Then the shadow will animate with the text as expected.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


Kim said:
Can you tell me why my PowerPoint 2003 presentations using the appear
animation are different in 2007? In PowerPoint 2003 the white text appears
on
click 1 paragraph at a time, however in 2007 the text appears first in
black
and then appears in one paragraph at a time (white text). I have nearly
100
similar presentations and don't want to have to change all of them.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Thanks so much -- I'm really glad to know that the Total Training video I
did on PPT 2007 is worthwhile!

This shadow issue crops up here occasionally, so I put up a page explaining
this text shadows vs shape shadows thing. It's available here:
http://www.echosvoice.com/2007_tutorials.htm

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


Kim said:
Thanks so much, Echo. I didn't think about it have a shape shadow effect.
Removing the shadow effect fixed it.

By the way, I felt I was pretty advanced with PowerPoint but learned
several
new features with your 2007 tutorials through Total Training! They are the
best PowerPoint tutorials I've seen from any version!
Kim

Echo S said:
Hi, Kim,

Thanks for sending the sample slides. This is what I thought it was, but
I
figured it was easier to confirm first, then explain.

Basically, the author used a shape shadow instead of a text shadow when
creating the file. The shape shadows are on the Drawing toolbar in PPT
2003 -- when you hover over the icons on that toolbar, it's the one with
the
tooltip that says "Shadow Style."

If the textbox were to have a fill, that shadow would be applied to the
textbox itself. Since it doesn't have a fill, the shadow is applied to
the
text. It actually works the same in 2007 -- there are text shadows and
shape
shadows.

If you want the shadow to animate with the text in 2007, you must apply a
text shadow as opposed to a shape shadow. So, when 2007 opens a 2003 file
that uses shape shadows, it treats them like 2007 shape shadows and
doesn't
animate them when you animate text. (You don't have the option to
"animate
attached shape" when you're animating text in a non-filled textbox, even
if
there's a ahape shadow applied to the textbox.)

The most straightforward fix (although I realize it may be tedious) is to
apply a text shadow (that is, use the shadow button on the Formatting
toolbar in either PPT 2003 or 2007) and remove the shape shadow. In 2003
you
remove the shape shadow on the Drawing toolbar; in 2007, you use Drawing
Tools Format | Shape Effects | Shadow | No Shadow to remove the shape
shadow. Then the shadow will animate with the text as expected.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


Kim said:
Can you tell me why my PowerPoint 2003 presentations using the appear
animation are different in 2007? In PowerPoint 2003 the white text
appears
on
click 1 paragraph at a time, however in 2007 the text appears first in
black
and then appears in one paragraph at a time (white text). I have nearly
100
similar presentations and don't want to have to change all of them.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
If you want the shadow to animate with the text in 2007, you must apply a
text shadow as opposed to a shape shadow.
Click to expand...

I disagree with this, to a certain extent, as I think that it is a bug. A
bug that's reproduceable in 07 running on an XP machine (with compatibility
pack), BTW.

Had the same problem last night, client flying out for a review meeting this
morning and only has 2007 on her machine, PPT file created and edited in XP.
She’s freaking out because the shadows appear before the text. I checked it
on my 07 and was able to reproduce it, but I noticed one significant thing,
the Title Placeholder animated correctly, the Body Placeholder did not --
black shadow first then white text animated on top of it. The question then
became: why the difference?

So, after reading this tip, removing the shadows and uploading for her, I
ran some tests. I created 4 masters in the same file and applied different
animations to each pair of placeholders so that on one master, the
autolayouts both wipe from left, or ascend. I made the 4th one with
animations that I wouldn't normally use on text, like Pinwheel.

On each slide, I had a title, a line of body text and then copied those
shapes below to remove them from the master, and applied the same animation.
With only one exception, any animation that was on a Text placeholder did the
black-shadow-before-text problem but the Title placeholder did not. The
shapes below that were not tied to a placeholder animated correctly (except
on one set, where I applied both a motion path and a fade, both of them did
the problem). I tested this on computers that had both Nvidia and ATI cards,
with compatibility pack and without, Vista business and home edition, and
Windows XP.

I also used one of the standard templates in 07 to test this bug theory, I
chose Flow, which co-incidentally enough, doesn't have a shadow on the
subtitle placeholder. I made similar slides, only using the title layout and
was able to reproduce the shadow appearing before the text when I applied a
shape shadow to the body text (subtitle). Thinking that's kind of odd, I then
checked all the other template designs that came with 07 and none of them
have a shadow of any kind on body text. There are fancy drop shadows and
effects applied to the Title text in the master, but never the text or
subtitle. Interesting.

I can guess what you're thinking: geez, you're really anal and why bother
doing all that work for something so insignificant? Well, I *hate* text
shadow and rarely use it. Why? Because I can't change the colour (since it
colours itself based on the background fill) and more importantly, I can't
change the _distance_ of the shadow from the text. Sometimes, I want more
than a 1 pixel shadow or I want it to go in a different direction than down
and to the right.

Question now is: is this a bug, a flaw in the 07 program (ie. conflict
between "subtitle" and "body text" autolayouts) or just the new normal?
 
I'm not saying it's not a bug, I'm just reporting the facts.

By the way, you can now change text shadow colors and distance in 2007.
 
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