2 hard drives have disappeared

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Cliff V

I have 2 hard disk drives connected to a Promise Ultra IDE card. Two days
ago I started getting errors and when I looked in My Computer neither drive
shows up. They are both present in Device Manager, both showing up as
present and saying "This device is working properly" in their "Device
Properties" dialog. They also show up at boot up. Any ideas why I cannot
access them in Windows (Windows XP home edition, service pack 2)

Thank you
 
I should also add that I have disconnected the drives from the IDE
controller card and plugged them directly into the IDE plug on the
motherboard with the same results. They show up at boot and in device
manager but not as drives in "My Computer" or anywhere that I can access
them.

Thanks again.
 
(He later adds...)
I should also add that I have disconnected the drives from the IDE
controller card and plugged them directly into the IDE plug on the
motherboard with the same results. They show up at boot and in device
manager but not as drives in "My Computer" or anywhere that I can access
them.

Thanks again.


Cliff:
Are the drives listed in Disk Management (Start > right-click My Computer >
Manage > Computer Management > Disk Management)? If so, are drive letters
assigned to each? If not, can you use DM to do so?
Anna
 
They do not show up in the upper window where my main drive is, it shows the
two partitions on C drive.
In the bottom window they show up as "Disk 1" and "Disk 2" with a red
circle, with a white line through it, to the left of this.
Under the "Disk 1 & Disk 2" it says "Unknown 114.49 GB Not Initialized &
Unknown 38.16 GB Not Initialized"
In the white box to the right of this it says "114.49 GB Unallocated & 38.16
GB Unallocated".
I can right click on them and chose "Initialize disk" but this does not do
anything.

Cliff
 
They do not show up in the
upper window where my main drive is, it shows the
two partitions on C drive.
In the bottom window they show up as "Disk 1" and "Disk 2" with a red
circle, with a white line through it, to the left of this.
Under the "Disk 1 & Disk 2" it says "Unknown 114.49 GB Not Initialized &
Unknown 38.16 GB Not Initialized"
In the white box to the right of this it says "114.49 GB Unallocated &
38.16 GB Unallocated".
I can right click on them and chose "Initialize disk" but this does not do
anything.

Cliff


Cliff:
The information you're receiving in DM indicates the OS sees those drives as
unpartitioned & unformatted. I realize this sounds far-fetched, but is there
any possibility that somehow, inadvertently, you deleted the partitions on
those two drives? Perhaps accidentally through a reinstall process of your
OS on your boot drive?
Anna
 
Anna, I am sure I have not deleted any info on them. I did replace the IDE
cable because it was showing some wear. Possibly shorted out and erased some
info? I am guessing I need to go to a DOS prompt to reformat and repartition
these drives. I hate to lose all the data I have on them.

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Cliff Vanderpool
Lions Automotive Upholstery
8606 G St Omaha NE 68127
402-331-5466
Mon thru Fri, 8 to 5
(e-mail address removed)
www.lionsauto.com
 
How do I go about reformatting/partitioning these drives. I hate to sound
stupid, but it has been a long time since I had to do anything like that.
Used to doing it at a command prompt, can it be done in Windows?

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Cliff Vanderpool
Lions Automotive Upholstery
8606 G St Omaha NE 68127
402-331-5466
Mon thru Fri, 8 to 5
(e-mail address removed)
www.lionsauto.com
 
I am doing some more reading, and it looks like I need to initialize these
disks before they can be used, but when I click on "Initialize Disk" nothing
happens.
 
Cliff V said:
I am doing some more reading, and it looks like I need to initialize these
disks before they can be used, but when I click on "Initialize Disk"
nothing happens.


Cliff:
I trust you understand that by "initializing" a hard drive, this is a
prelude for the OS to undertake the subsequent partitioning & formatting of
the drive. For example, a brand-new HD needs to be initialized before it can
be partitioned/formatted. When the system detects no partitions and, of
course, no data on the HD, it calls for "initializing" the drive. I just
wanted to make sure you understand that.
Anna
 
Thanks for that heads-up. I do understand that I would be partitioning &
formatting the drives at this point. The problem is that even when I try to
initialize them, nothing happens. Other then in device manager and the
administrative area you pointed me to, I can not see the drives. I thought
they would show up in "My Computer" but would be unaccessable until I format
and partition them. That is not the case. I can't find them anywhere that I
can work with them.
 
I have 2 hard disk drives connected to a Promise Ultra IDE card. Two days
ago I started getting errors and when I looked in My Computer
neither drive shows up. They are both present in Device Manager, both
showing up as present and saying "This device is working properly" in
their "Device Properties" dialog. They also show up at boot up. Any
ideas why I cannot access them in Windows (Windows XP home edition,
service pack 2)
Thank you
Cliff Vanderpool

Cliff:
Are the drives listed in Disk Management (Start > right-click My
Computer Manage > Computer Management > Disk Management)? If so, are drive
letters assigned to each? If not, can you use DM to do so?
Anna



Cliff@home said:
Thanks for that heads-up. I do understand that I would be partitioning &
formatting the drives at this point. The problem is that even when I try
to initialize them, nothing happens. Other then in device manager and the
administrative area you pointed me to, I can not see the drives. I thought
they would show up in "My Computer" but would be unaccessable until I
format and partition them. That is not the case. I can't find them
anywhere that I can work with them.


Cliff:
I'm not sure I completely understand you, i.e., your problem. On one hand
you state that (in Disk Management) you *do* see the Initialize icon
(presumably next to the listing of the drive), but then you say "I can not
see the drives.". So I'm at a loss as to know exactly what's happening here.

In any event, in response to a recent query re partitioning/formatting a new
HD, I posted some instructions on how to accomplish this using the XP Disk
Management utility. Hopefully, it will be of some value to you.

Note that in the Disk Management window your new HD will be shown probably
as Disk 1, "Unknown" together with its capacity in GB ("Unallocated") and
"Not Initialized". (You'll see a small red-circled icon with a small white
bar in the middle of this icon).

Step through the Wizard to initialize your disk. There are just a few
screens and the process is pretty straightforward. You shouldn't have any
trouble. Just remember that you SHOULD NOT select the option to convert your
disk to a "dynamic" disk. Again, DO NOT SELECT THAT OPTION.

Now you must partition and format your new drive. Again the process is
pretty straightforward. You start by right-clicking on the schematic of your
new disk - the area that shows the disk as "Unallocated", and select from
the sub-menu "New Partition". The "New Partition Wizard" will open and
you'll be stepping through that "Wizard".

On the "Select Partition Type" window that opens, select the option,
"Primary Partition".

The "Select Partition Size" window will open where the maximum size (in MB)
of your new HD will be shown. If you want only a single partition
encompassing the entire capacity of the drive, just accept the figure shown.
If, on the other hand, you want to create multiple partitions on the drive,
so indicate the size in MB for the first partition and you will have a
subsequent opportunity to create additional partitions on that drive.

The next dialog box will allow you to assign a drive letter to your new
drive. It is best to do so at this point (rather than selecting the "Do not
assign a drive letter..." option). Either accept the default letter shown,
or choose one to your liking.

Now you will come to the formatting process...

On the "Format Partition" dialog box that opens, you probably should accept
the defaults shown unless you have good reason to do otherwise. The default
settings will create an NTFS file system with the appropriate "allocation
unit size" (cluster size). The new drive will be given the label "New
Volume". You can change it if you want. It's not really important. (You can
always change that given name at a later date). There's an option to
"Perform a quick format". If you select that option the formatting process
will go very quickly, but it will not be as thorough a process as a regular
format in terms of the system examining the drive for defects. The downside
to a non-quick format is that it it's quite time-consuming depending upon
the size of your HD. In our own case, where secondary drives are involved
and we're working with a brand-new drive, and have no reason to suspect the
drive may be defective, we usually select the "quick format" option. But
many users feel otherwise and select a regular (non-quick) format. So if
time (at least at *this* time!) is not an important consideration for you,
do not select the quick format option.

After you get the "Completing the New Partition Wizard" window showing the
selections you have previously made, the formatting process will begin after
you click the "Finish" button. But before clicking that button, review your
selections to ensure they're the ones you want. You can always go back and
change one or more of your previously selected settings by clicking on the
"Back" button.

Again, if you've selected the "quick format" option, the formatting will go
very quickly. If not, it will take a considerable amount of time. As an
example, the last time I (non-quick) formatted a 120 GB disk, it took about
45 minutes.

If you run into any difficulties, remember that the Help file in Disk
Management is your friend.

Good luck.
Anna
 
Anna, I appreciate you sticking with me on this issue. When I say I can't
"see" the disks, I mean they do not show up in "My Computer" or anywhere
that I can try to access them. I am used to at least "seeing" the drive, but
just not being able to access it until it is formatted and partitioned.
Going into the "Administrative Tools / Computer Management / Disk
Management" I do see the drives, with the red circle, Unknown, disk size &
Not Initialized under them. There is no "Initialization wizard", I can right
click on the drive and get a drop down menu that gives me the option of
"Initialize Disk" "Properties" and "Help", I can click on "Initialize" but
nothing happens when I do.
If I then proceed to the area to the right, the "New Partition" option is
grey (it can not be selected)
Is there a way of starting the Initialization Wizard manually?

Thanks again, Cliff
 
Cliff V said:
Anna, I appreciate you sticking with me on this issue. When I say I can't
"see" the disks, I mean they do not show up in "My Computer" or anywhere
that I can try to access them. I am used to at least "seeing" the drive,
but just not being able to access it until it is formatted and
partitioned.
Going into the "Administrative Tools / Computer Management / Disk
Management" I do see the drives, with the red circle, Unknown, disk size &
Not Initialized under them. There is no "Initialization wizard", I can
right click on the drive and get a drop down menu that gives me the option
of "Initialize Disk" "Properties" and "Help", I can click on "Initialize"
but nothing happens when I do.
If I then proceed to the area to the right, the "New Partition" option is
grey (it can not be selected)
Is there a way of starting the Initialization Wizard manually?

Thanks again, Cliff


Cliff:
I understand you do not see the drives reflected in My Computer or Windows
Explorer. I'm referring, of course, to Disk Management.

Do you RIGHT-CLICK on the initialize icon? A sub-menu should appear with one
of the options being "Initialize Disk". Give it one more try.
Anna
 
Anna, I am right clicking on the disk icon and then left clicking on
"Initialize", but I just disconnected my drives from the Promise controller
and into the IDE connection on the motherboard and it looks like I can
initialize and partition them now. Must be something wrong with the Promise
controller or controller drivers. I am still trying (hoping) to be able to
get the disks back online without losing all the data on them. I understand
if I initialize and partition them I will lose all this, so am trying to see
if there might be some utility that may be able to rebuild the partitions
without losing the data.

Cliff

--
Cliff Vanderpool
Lions Automotive Upholstery
8606 G St Omaha NE 68127
402-331-5466
Mon thru Fri, 8 to 5
(e-mail address removed)
www.lionsauto.com
 
Anna, one final thank you. After connecting drives to IDE on mb I was able
to run Disk Doctor and they are back to where they were. Will need to
replace Promise card since I can not find any current drivers for it with
Windows XP (if indeed the drivers are to blame).

Cliff.
 
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